BMaker11 said: Mac has games? lol

 lol, a couple.  They have Blizzard's support.

BCNR34 said: all this....and it still outsells the 360 :)

  mm, I suppose. http://nexgenwars.com/ 

 

Shadowblind said: Final-Fan said: Side note: Yeah, I actually would like a list of PS3 problems as long as it's not stuff like "costs too much LOLOLOL". Then tell us how many PS3s have those problems. Do you have a similar list for the Wii? And how common are the PS3 vs. Wii issues? Sorry but overpricing makes for hell when a console has no games. 1) Overpricing 2) Compared to 360 and wii library, games dont exist. MGS4, when it comes out. 3) Consistent delay of games due to PS3 programming difficulty. http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Metal-Gear-Solid-4-Delayed-Again-PS3-Remains-Over-priced-Paper-Weight-7070.html 4) Weighs exactly 11 lbs. then again, whos weighing? Tell that to the people who complain about the 360s size too. 5) Sixaxis? Your kidding right? 6) Cross console games constantly get lower reviews. The main point ought to be the games factor. it has some great games to be sure (GT, MGS4, Little Big Planet, MGS4) but only a few steller(...) titles have yet been released. In all truth, should Sony lower the price and make some games that AREN'T sequals (or triquals, or quadruquils(?) ) they have one amazing console. However, Cells power has yet to be seen, and because of the difficulty of its hardware, game production costs skyrocket. I suppose the problem isn't the console--its the best out there (debatable) but unless the people BACKING the console stop making stupid decisions about it (MGS4 is the only exclusive amazing title) then I still find its faults very problematic.

1. It is not overpriced, yes it is expensive compared to the other consoles, but if you looked into the cost of the technology you'd find it is very well priced considering.

2. Uncharted, Warhawk, Ratchet & Clank, Motorstorm,  Gran Turismo 5:P. And now, multiplatform titles are becoming better on the PS3.

3. You act as if 360 games don't get delayed.

4.  Built in powersupply, no wireless dongle hanging on the table. How is weight a negative for it? It's a solid product, nothing to be ashamed of, and it's not like your console is something you carry around with you everyday all day.

5. Sixaxis, it's a fine controller, the only thing it doesnt have is Rumble, which the Dualshock3 fixes. I mean honestly, is rumble that big of a deal? Obviously you've never played a game with motion controller, aside from maybe the Wii.

6. It's not the consoles fault that there are biased people out there, and that developers still use the 360 has the lead console. I suppose this is the only valid problem with the console, which is being fixed, Burnout Paradise, Call of Duty 4, Devli May Cry 4, Oblivion.

Simply put, the PS3 has no hardware issues, the only issue you could come up with is the games, which is a matter of opinion, personally there enough games out for it to keep me busy, and if there is ever a time when I have to wait a week for a new game then I can pop in a few BD movies.

I can understand saying that the games are lacking when compared to the 360's library (even though I find the PS3 library fun and diverse) but I really don't understand how people can compare the PS3 library to the Wii library, and say that the PS3 has no games. I mean, the Wii's first 9-12 months were filled with NOTHING but shovelware, minus the typical Nintendo games you find every generation (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc) and a few "different" 3rd party games like Red Steel. Other than that, I can literally say that the rest were crap, in terms of quality. You guys can toss Wii Play/Sports at me, and say that those were system sellers for the 20 million+ that bought it in the first year, but what I'm referring to is the majority. Games like Carnival Games, Boogie, Mario and Sonic, and Escape from Bug Island. The games that make up 95% of the library, while the other 5% are the quality titles people say are reasons to get a Wii. And those games that are in that 5% came out, on average, about 3 months apart, so don't tell me that the "PS3 ain't got no games" without saying "Wii ain't got no games too"

Sorry, I know this is a rant, but that statement just fills me with the need to debate it. Little known fact:

PS3 has 67 games rated 75 or higher and 48 rated 80 or higher
http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/

Wii has 32 games rated above 75 and 21 rated above 80
http://www.metacritic.com/games/wii/scores/

Please STOP with the "Compared to the Wii library, games don't exist"

BMaker11 said: I can understand saying that the games are lacking when compared to the 360's library (even though I find the PS3 library fun and diverse) but I really don't understand how people can compare the PS3 library to the Wii library, and say that the PS3 has no games. I mean, the Wii's first 9-12 months were filled with NOTHING but shovelware, minus the typical Nintendo games you find every generation (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc) and a few "different" 3rd party games like Red Steel. Other than that, I can literally say that the rest were crap, in terms of quality. You guys can toss Wii Play/Sports at me, and say that those were system sellers for the 20 million+ that bought it in the first year, but what I'm referring to is the majority. Games like Carnival Games, Boogie, Mario and Sonic, and Escape from Bug Island. The games that make up 95% of the library, while the other 5% are the quality titles people say are reasons to get a Wii. And those games that are in that 5% came out, on average, about 3 months apart, so don't tell me that the "PS3 ain't got no games" without saying "Wii ain't got no games too" Sorry, I know this is a rant, but that statement just fills me with the need to debate it. Little known fact: PS3 has 67 games rated 75 or higher and 48 rated 80 or higher http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/ Wii has 32 games rated above 75 and 21 rated above 80 http://www.metacritic.com/games/wii/scores/ Please STOP with the "Compared to the Wii library, games don't exist"

I own every current gen console and handheld. I sold my old Wii in August of 07. I would have sold my PS3 if it would have brought me 50 cents on the dollar in the sale.

Yesterday, I bought another Wii. It has several great games. The 360 is still the staple of my console collection. It never gets old.  Why?

Because it has fucking games, that's why. The PS3 has yet to deliver ONE great game, much less three good ones. Both the Wii and 360 have at least 3 GREAT games and a bundle of good ones to boot.

...

Still waiting for that one GREAT Playstation 3 game. 

rocketpig said: BCNR34 said: Legend11 said: You have to put yourselves in our position. Imagine someone posting a thread in the Nintendo forum asking for suggestions of good shooters to play on the Wii. Then someone comes along and tells the person to sell his Wii and get an Xbox 360 and when people start getting annoyed he starts bashing the Wii and Nintendo. Now imagine that's basically the only message they have in every thread in the Nintendo forum. They never actually add anything else to the conversations, they just bash the system and it's games and try to convince people to sell it and buy another system. Wouldn't you get tired of it and pissed off after awhile? Maybe Gazz isn't guilty of doing it to that extent but there are more than enough people doing it where it feels like a battle just to talk about the 360 in that forum. Some of us understand that some people hate Microsoft and the 360, we get it, it just would be nice for the people that actually do enjoy the games, Xbox Live, etc, and that want to help people with hardware problems or questions, to be able to do it without what amounts to constant trolling.  every console gets trolled here though, everybody just has to deal with it While that is true, Legend has a point. It seems as if the ratio of troll posts to quality posts is highest in the Microsoft forum. It gets pretty damned bad in there.

 Then again, the 360 is without a doubt the console with the most hardware issues. What Legend and Rocketpig (2 people who are not ashamed to say they prefer the 360) may consider trolling, may be considered discussing the apparent issues that keep being unsolved by MS to this very day. The reason why the 360 gets dissed this much is because the problems tha are being discussed are real. This isn't a "I have a link from 2006 where a bunch of 360's overheated" discussion, but one that is valid on this very day.

In all fairness, the fact that Legend jumped on the issue lead to the creation of this topic and his attempts to silence critisism of his beloved 360 only lead to more discussion which is absolutely not in the favour of getting the 360 a more reliable image.

@Bmaker: stop trying to convince Rocketpig of the fact that the Wii and PS3 have good games which he can play on a console that actually functions. Guys like him are the sole reason that MS still haven't fixed the RROD issue because they keep buying the product blindly regardless of quality or functionality. He does have a point, from a software point of view the 360 has a good library and if the quality of their hardware would have been better, I might have had one to this day. However, the quality of their software collection decreases immensely if you have a pc and aren't too fond of Halo or a sporadic rpg. Then Wii, PS3 and PC own them although much of the pc performance is also being raped by MS with their dodgy os, but that's another discussion.

 Edit: just pulling your legs, but in all fairness. Looking at the 30 collection and seeing what's multiplatform or released on pc (some even with higher res and added maps) the so called defense point of buying a 360 becomes pretty bleak.

The red ring of death is such a serious issue even my non-gaming absolutely tech-unwise mother fears it. Seriously she does! When we watch TV and she sees anything resembling a ring (or when I played Burnout Paradise on my PS3 she saw that saving to HDD icon) she says she dislikes what she saw because it reminds her of my first XBOX 360's RRoD.

I haven't even touched my replacement XBOX 360 yet. I am scared it will fail too.

Just by the way, if the XBOX 360 Pro has an HDMI port does it contain the falcon ship?

Everybody please just get all three systems and enjoy gaming!

For the love of Gazz, al this excitement about the fact that I said that MS didn't care about it's customers to the guy in the other topic and guess what? I was bloody right!!!!

Gazz hits the spot, read all about here http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=24496&start=50. The fanboys who went out of their way to censor me should be ashamed of themselves, and most off all ashamed of the terrible company they tried to defend.

Shadowblind said: Final-Fan said: Side note: Yeah, I actually would like a list of PS3 problems as long as it's not stuff like "costs too much LOLOLOL". Then tell us how many PS3s have those problems. Do you have a similar list for the Wii? And how common are the PS3 vs. Wii issues? Sorry but overpricing makes for hell when a console has no games. 1) Overpricing 2) Compared to 360 and wii library, games dont exist. MGS4, when it comes out. 3) Consistent delay of games due to PS3 programming difficulty.  ZOMG MSG4 DELAY 4) Weighs exactly 11 lbs. then again, whos weighing? Tell that to the people who complain about the 360s size too. 5) Sixaxis? Your kidding right? 6) Cross console games constantly get lower reviews. The main point ought to be the games factor. it has some great games to be sure (GT, MGS4, Little Big Planet, MGS4) but only a few steller(...) titles have yet been released. In all truth, should Sony lower the price and make some games that AREN'T sequals (or triquals, or quadruquils(?) ) they have one amazing console. However, Cells power has yet to be seen, and because of the difficulty of its hardware, game production costs skyrocket. I suppose the problem isn't the console--its the best out there (debatable) but unless the people BACKING the console stop making stupid decisions about it (MGS4 is the only exclusive amazing title) then I still find its faults very problematic.

So, just to confirm, you're saying that the PS3 does not offer as much value as a game console, but you AREN'T saying that it has any hardware problems even remotely comparable to RRoD, disc scratching, etc?

1)  At first, maybe, but the price is down, and even at the $600 mark you got wireless built in which would put the equivalent 360 at $500, and Blu-ray, etc.  So more expensive, yeah, but overpriced, that's very questionable. 
2)  Not true.  It has FEWER great games, no doubt (although apparently more "pretty damn good" games than the Wii) but that is certainly not 'basically no games'. 
3)  Weight?  Are you serious?  At least it's not XBOX HUEG LOL!  It's big, yeah, but I think that 360 + power supply is bigger, and this is a silly point anyway. 
4)  Sixaxis, agreed that no rumble was terrible.  But they DID lose that lawsuit, so what could they do (except maybe not lie their asses off)? 
5)  That used to be true; not so anymore.  (Expect GTAIV to be:  "PS3 is better, but 360 WILL be better."  I don't know how they'll score that one.) 

But really, the main point here is that you AGREED with me (by your silence) on the matter of 360 vs. PS3/Wii hardware faults.  I apologize if I was unclear on what I meant by "problems".