They were from long-term TF2 (as in Team Fortress) players though, which I would consider for something in terms of skill.

Both teams had their differing strategies as well, as the PC players opted for rushing and getting the flags as fast as possible, while the console players wanted to outright spawn camp to then get the flags. Both strats come off as par the course for their respective platform meta (like strategy players in Starcraft mostly opting to rush for one such example). 

I just think we need games to be better designed without the use of aim assist, because it's becoming increasingly obvious that gamepads aren't exactly evolving all that much, that aim assist needs to be left on as the default for games.

This also makes me wonder in just how fun crossplay is to others, because I personally didn't have fun trying to play GTA V with a gamepad on PC, the entire lobby being alerted to me using said gamepad and then me not being allowed to join heists, because they didn't want a PC gamepad user in their group (this was way back in 2015). 

The advantage of a mouse is not just aiming, I find it much more enjoyable to explore and run around using a mouse. You also have much better awareness of your surroundings as you can do a quick scan, look left, look right while continuing to run forward. A mouse gives the same freedom as looking around with a VR headset on. Controller camera turning is always either slow or messy.

Operating menus, organizing equipment, loot, etc, no contest. Although a lot of games are so controller oriented that basic mouse control suffers, like in Halo Infinite and FH5. Some 'shotcuts' you use all the time simply don't work. Got to back out of the current menu first before being able to click on the tab of another menu for example. Can't simply assign keys to abilities, got to somehow fit some selection wheel template you don't use anyway. Same with Psychonauts 2, erm I have more than 4 keys available on my keyboard, why do I need to keep mapping only 4 abilities to the same keys. TW2 had horrible mouse support. Not only tied to current fps, instead of an independent hardware pointer like every other windows program in existence, yet also lot of baffling menu design choices that were a chore to use with a mouse.

So when KB+Mouse beats a controller, in games that are actually designed with KB+Mouse in mind. And games that simply don't suit controllers like RTS or anything where you frequently select things on a map.

Then you have games where you use all together, FS2020, mouse+kb+controller. Need em all.

I wouldn't quite say aimbot, but it does help keep you on target a lot easier.  An aimbot specifically selects a part of the enemy (obviously it's usually the head) to LOCK onto, and aim assist simply moves your cursor towards the general direction of the target without any real lock (if you're aiming towards the feet, aim assist would just slow the cursor down and keep moving you towards said feet).  Just mentioning this because calling aim assist anything like an aimbot is a bit hyperbolic lol

There IS one problem with the stats people keep throwing around: Halo has built its community on consoles and thus its core community is all controller players.  It wasn't until recently that Halo is accessible via PC thanks to MCC, and Halo Infinite is the first Halo I've played with KBM as well.  I used the controller and it was instantly familiar since I've gone through five Halo games with a controller.  This skews the stats dramatically when you have a large part of the community that is decades old using a controller and you suddenly introduce KBM.

I know it sounds like it would be hard to learn something "new", but the reason I mention in the video that a mouse is the most intuitive is because you might find yourself surprised at how quickly/easily you end up adapting to KBM.  Of course, we're specifically talking FPS games, but yea: I wouldn't be so scared of the difficulty curve if I were you haha!

I caught a little flack in this in my Halo Infinite review, but I'm a person who uses both KBM and controller at the same time in PvP.  This leads me to tell you two things:

1) Like other games, when there is active input from one device, it SHUTS OFF input from the other device.  If I am pressing KBM buttons and aiming my mouse, controller input is completely cut off.

2) Aim assist FIGHTS a mouse, literally no KBM PC player I've ever met has ever wanted aim assist with a mouse and, like me, would instantly turn it off.  I can't remember what game it was a LONGGG time ago, but it had aim assist even for KBM, and all it does is cause you to miscalculate rapid aim flicks because the speed changes and moves.  Thanks to the 1:1 nature, this makes it feel more like its moving your mouse for you, and it's very, very, veryyyy offputting to KBM players hahahaha!

Technically, looking around IS identical to aiming.  You're making a very similar point!

Naturally, this is about aiming moreso than other games since, as you likely know, the only area of heated debate IS in FPS PvP games.  In FPS PvE or in really anything else entirely, almost nobody talks about or cares who's using what or what's best.  It's primarily only in FPS PvP where people want the playing field to feel "fair", and that in and of itself is a whole new discussion on its own!

@ZyroXZ2 Halo has been on PC much longer, actually started on PC until MS snatched it up to launch XBox with. My first experience with Halo was on PC. Halo 2 is the firs oen I played with controller. Aim assist is too strong in Halo Infinite, people are not asking to separate the two for nothing.

Btw in racing games it's always controller vs wheel. There it's a lot closer between top players on GT Sport. I don't know what kind of assists it uses apart from smoothing out the controller input (limiting the speed at which the wheel turns) yet one thing is universally accepted in the community, tire wear is somehow always worse on controller, yet it's much easier to drive without TCS with pedals. Maybe TCS is bad for tires, too easy to apply full throttle, let TCS sort it out, which is probably not the best for tires.

Also mechanical keyboards are back big time. Just as important for PC gaming as arcade sticks are for console gaming.

Okay maybe a little hyperbolic lol. And I mean sure its not going to snap on aim bot for the head for example. But its so strong in this game it kinda a borders on being game breaker for the average PC player not playing on controller and aiming for high ranks (on KB+M). Who has to get extra sweaty to even compete and even then....

There is keyboard and mouse ranked mode on pc. If ranked and high ranks is a concern.

^ Being able to look around freely is more fun than controlling a turret :p

I said it's more accessible, now.  For clarity, back in the day, they released on consoles first and by the time they came to PC, there wasn't as much interest.  For reference, Halo came to PC a whopping two years later from its console release.  Halo 2 came nearly three years later to PC.  By the time the games came to PC, there was low interest.  This is coming from me, someone who played Gears of War on PC back in the day because I didn't have an Xbox.  More people are asking because they're mad than because they legitimately understand the stats, and most of those "more people" are focused on the cheaters using aimbots, though I've only run into one so far in 40 hours of MP.

And though you likely realize by now, this is more about aiming than it is the overall application of KBM and controllers.  The discussion of the two has never been centered around interactions and inputs, but more advantage/disadvantage in a PvP shooting-focused environment.

Coming from playing FPS on PC, it was a difficult transition for me. I used to be quite competitive in Duke Nukem 3D (aiming with keyboard, that was fun lol) in Lan setup before mouse aiming came along. It was far easier to get good with mouse aiming than later with controller. Unreal Tournament and HL Death match were my bread and butter.

My first experience with Halo multiplayer was in 4 player split screen at a friend's house. I had no clue what was going on. Quite embarrassing as my friend had been talking me up as this competitive fps player. I could hardly walk around, let alone shoot lol. But it became easier and as aim assist kept getting stronger in games I would dial the sensitivity up for quick turning and let aim assist handle the fine tuning.

Anyway, I'm no longer into competitive fps. Co-op fine, but all the crap that comes along with competition, I'll leave that to racing. Yet also in racing, I wouldn't mind at least knowing whether I got beat by a controller or a wheel. People often ask me what wheel I use, erm a DS4. Yeah, you can be competitive with a controller, but there are limits. The amount of pro players using a controller is far less than those using a wheel and peddles. Kinda odd it's the other way around with Halo? Doesn't that make the assistance a bit too strong?

I mean, anyone who's a little "older" (haha, oh gawd now we're BOTH old fogeys!) is going to have learned FPS games on PC.  It was the genre that was primarily PC-only due to, as we're discussing, the control methods.  That was until they started refining aim assist to give controllers more "comfort".

And while I can respect and understand not being into PvP as much anymore, I will say that I can understand the "thrill" it provides that other games do not.

Buuuut, your comparison of PvP racing and PvP FPS is apples and oranges.  As a person who plays sim racers with a steering wheel, there's a LOT to unwrap with making this comparison that makes it just far too different.  Steering wheel setups don't just alter the input method and precision, they change the required physical interaction level.  A controller and KBM still match in button presses and overall effort: but if you ever play a proper sim racer with a steering wheel and take the long Nurburgring Nordschleife route, you may realize just how tired your arms can get.  I've worked up a sweat, in fact, taking a Bugatti Veyron around the Nordschleife, and it STILL took me 8+ minutes lmfao... Of course, I'm talking proper steering wheel setups with accurate force feedback which means you're fighting the wheel and trying to "feel" your way through as corner.  I've played on someone who had the steering setup at THE MOST USELESS settings with no force feedback!  All they did was turn the wheel and push the pedals, so keep in mind even steering wheel setups vary.  I like mine realistic for... realistic reasons lol