| hinch said: One issue I have with the game is the stupidly high aim assist with controller. Its almost nigh close to using an aim bot when a players crosshair reticule is in a close proximity of an enemy player. Iirc one of the top 10 pro players say that controller pro players play on controllers since the AA is too strong.
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I wouldn't quite say aimbot, but it does help keep you on target a lot easier. An aimbot specifically selects a part of the enemy (obviously it's usually the head) to LOCK onto, and aim assist simply moves your cursor towards the general direction of the target without any real lock (if you're aiming towards the feet, aim assist would just slow the cursor down and keep moving you towards said feet). Just mentioning this because calling aim assist anything like an aimbot is a bit hyperbolic lol
Ryuu96 said:
Yup, there's next to no K&M pros in Halo, even one of the current pros who I would consider to be among the best right now (Snipedown) went as far to say that Halo will never have a K&M pro and someone who played on the highest ranking K&M team in Halo Infinite agreed with him, that aim assist is nasty and Halo has always been a series built more for controller. I've seen a lot of automatic assumption that M&K would have the advantage in anything FPS based but I would say that definitely isn't the case with Halo Infinite, if anything, M&K have a clear disadvantage. There's also these stats.
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There IS one problem with the stats people keep throwing around: Halo has built its community on consoles and thus its core community is all controller players. It wasn't until recently that Halo is accessible via PC thanks to MCC, and Halo Infinite is the first Halo I've played with KBM as well. I used the controller and it was instantly familiar since I've gone through five Halo games with a controller. This skews the stats dramatically when you have a large part of the community that is decades old using a controller and you suddenly introduce KBM.
FormerlyTeamSilent13 said:
Same thing with Titanfall 1 and 2. I know for a fact that console players went and beat the top kb+m players at a Titanfall 1 PC tournament with their controllers because it was an article with names and everything back when that game was in its prime. I was one of the top TF1 players on PC (Diamond V rank and 6 k/d vs pilots) using a controller and beat top kb+m players regularly. I do think it was always an advantage for Titanfall and now Halo since it’s been on PC. Not sure about COD because I always played it on xbox until I quit, but I could see it having the same advantage. Granted for me learning kb+m would be hard because I have literally never done it my entire life and even my PC is an iMac Pro with a trackpad (not magic mouse). It’s been years since I used a mouse and I have wondered if I should try to learn it, but at the same time a lot of games incentivize me not to bother. I really think it would be like square one so I am just thankful that controller is still supported so well in modern shooters. That being said I would welcome decreased aim assist. Halo 3 on PC actually had improved the aim assist by lowering it, and people literally complained that it wasn’t ‘fixed exactly like 360’. One of the few things 343i did right (and it was still definitely there to some extent), but 343 caved and made it noob friendly again. Keep in mind with increased FOV and frames it was arguably easier anyway to hit shots even before the “fix”. To be specific on console you could have shots register with a red redicule on the back side of the head. I liked the change to miss because it meant if a player was aiming at back of head it would miss as it should if they are moving away from it…and would hit if their head was moving towards that spot. Logical. but baby controller players wanted it to be like the 360 and always register a hit so now it’s stupid easy to land shot. MCC has a lot of problems like that where they shouldn’t because 343 mess up, but the one time they make a good change controller babies complain. note to self: edit later, typing this on mobile, can’t see whole post at once to properly word |
I know it sounds like it would be hard to learn something "new", but the reason I mention in the video that a mouse is the most intuitive is because you might find yourself surprised at how quickly/easily you end up adapting to KBM. Of course, we're specifically talking FPS games, but yea: I wouldn't be so scared of the difficulty curve if I were you haha!
| Pemalite said: The best of both worlds is to get a controller to keyboard+mouse adapter to fool the game into thinking you are still using a controller, but you are using a keyboard and mouse, that way you still get the free aim-bot |
I caught a little flack in this in my Halo Infinite review, but I'm a person who uses both KBM and controller at the same time in PvP. This leads me to tell you two things:
1) Like other games, when there is active input from one device, it SHUTS OFF input from the other device. If I am pressing KBM buttons and aiming my mouse, controller input is completely cut off.
2) Aim assist FIGHTS a mouse, literally no KBM PC player I've ever met has ever wanted aim assist with a mouse and, like me, would instantly turn it off. I can't remember what game it was a LONGGG time ago, but it had aim assist even for KBM, and all it does is cause you to miscalculate rapid aim flicks because the speed changes and moves. Thanks to the 1:1 nature, this makes it feel more like its moving your mouse for you, and it's very, very, veryyyy offputting to KBM players hahahaha!
| SvennoJ said: The advantage of a mouse is not just aiming, I find it much more enjoyable to explore and run around using a mouse. You also have much better awareness of your surroundings as you can do a quick scan, look left, look right while continuing to run forward. A mouse gives the same freedom as looking around with a VR headset on. Controller camera turning is always either slow or messy. |
Technically, looking around IS identical to aiming. You're making a very similar point!
Naturally, this is about aiming moreso than other games since, as you likely know, the only area of heated debate IS in FPS PvP games. In FPS PvE or in really anything else entirely, almost nobody talks about or cares who's using what or what's best. It's primarily only in FPS PvP where people want the playing field to feel "fair", and that in and of itself is a whole new discussion on its own!
