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Forums - Nintendo - Nintendo quarterly sales update (To September 30th 2021) Switch 92.87m

Kakadu18 on 04 November 2021
Zippy6 said:
PAOerfulone said:

That fucking game shipped more than the system itself!!! It was the Killer App that the Switch absolutely needed to have in order for it to have a chance and Nintendo knew it. Then it had Mario Kart immediately afterwards, then Splatoon 2 to entice Japanese buyers, and the newest 3D Mario game for the holiday season along with stellar B-C tier titles sprinkled here and there. That Year 1 lineup for the Switch is among the best Year 1 lineups for any system in history and it absolutely lit the fuse for the Switch to explode the way it has. Without it, the Switch would not be selling at the level it is now.

Yes absolutely, BOTW catapulted the Switch. It was a cross-gen game. I'm not saying line-up isn't important, but I think the shear amount of content that Nintendo apparently need to get ready for Day One is being overstated here. Like you say BOTW was the only big game day-one for Switch.

The insinuation that because Nintendo has a strong 2022 lineup it's impossible for them to get ready for a Console launching in Nov 2013 and do the same as they did with the Switch and support it over the next 8+ months with a steady stream of titles is silly. 

They only need one big title to launch it is it really impossible to see something like this because they have 4 games launching in 2022?:

Mario Kart 9 - Holiday 2023
Pokemon (Switch + Switch 2(BC)) - Holiday 2023
Some other title (Paper Mario? Fire Emblem? Xenoblade? DKC?) - Feb-March 2024
Super Mario Odyssey 2 - Summer 2024
- more steady releases etc.

They can easily have a short lull in releases in the first 10 months of 2023 and then be ready to punch out some games over the next 12 months to launch a system.

I'm not talking about day 1, but about year 1. The first 10 months of a system are yery important because in that timeframe it's image is formed in the public mind. If it starts of with a weak lineup like the 3DS did you can bet that thing will never reach 100mil. It would need to absolutely explode with content afterwards to prevent that from happening.



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Wyrdness on 04 November 2021
Zippy6 said:
PAOerfulone said:

That fucking game shipped more than the system itself!!! It was the Killer App that the Switch absolutely needed to have in order for it to have a chance and Nintendo knew it. Then it had Mario Kart immediately afterwards, then Splatoon 2 to entice Japanese buyers, and the newest 3D Mario game for the holiday season along with stellar B-C tier titles sprinkled here and there. That Year 1 lineup for the Switch is among the best Year 1 lineups for any system in history and it absolutely lit the fuse for the Switch to explode the way it has. Without it, the Switch would not be selling at the level it is now.

Yes absolutely, BOTW catapulted the Switch. It was a cross-gen game. I'm not saying line-up isn't important, but I think the shear amount of content that Nintendo apparently need to get ready for Day One is being overstated here. Like you say BOTW was the only big game day-one for Switch.

The insinuation that because Nintendo has a strong 2022 lineup it's impossible for them to get ready for a Console launching in Nov 2013 and do the same as they did with the Switch and support it over the next 8+ months with a steady stream of titles is silly. 

They only need one big title to launch it is it really impossible to see something like this because they have 4 games launching in 2022?:

Mario Kart 9 - Holiday 2023
Pokemon (Switch + Switch 2(BC)) - Holiday 2023
Some other title (Paper Mario? Fire Emblem? Xenoblade? DKC?) - Feb-March 2024
Super Mario Odyssey 2 - Summer 2014

They can easily have a short lull in releases in the first 10 months of 2013 and then be ready to punch out some games over the next 12 months to launch a system.

BOTW is not only one of the best games in history it was then followed by a constant stream of games including MK8, Splatoon 2, Disgaea V, Arms, MK Rabbids, Sonic Mania, Minecraft, Fire Emblem Warriors, SMO, XBC2, Doom, Skyrim etc... the were around 200 games released for it in year one that's why NS took off and maintained momentum, four of the first party games released in the first year are 10m sellers with three now being 20m sellers and one heading to 40m that highlights how much fire power was unleashed in that years line up especially as three of these games were out in the first four months.



ShadowLink93 on 04 November 2021
curl-6 said:

I don't know why people expected more hardware than this to be honest, given the quarter had no big new games and a new model was imminent.

It seemed fairly predictable to me that this would be a relatively weak quarter for hardware sales.

Looking back in hindsight the signs were there, the Lite model has nosedived into the dirt and for Switch to be outsold in the September NPD in units by the elusive PS5 was a bad omen. The famitsu sales were declining so i expected hardware to be down yoy but not by 44%. I've adjusted my expectations from 26-27m to 23-24m for the fiscal year.



Zippy6 on 04 November 2021
Wyrdness said:
Zippy6 said:

Yes absolutely, BOTW catapulted the Switch. It was a cross-gen game. I'm not saying line-up isn't important, but I think the shear amount of content that Nintendo apparently need to get ready for Day One is being overstated here. Like you say BOTW was the only big game day-one for Switch.

The insinuation that because Nintendo has a strong 2022 lineup it's impossible for them to get ready for a Console launching in Nov 2013 and do the same as they did with the Switch and support it over the next 8+ months with a steady stream of titles is silly. 

They only need one big title to launch it is it really impossible to see something like this because they have 4 games launching in 2022?:

Mario Kart 9 - Holiday 2023
Pokemon (Switch + Switch 2(BC)) - Holiday 2023
Some other title (Paper Mario? Fire Emblem? Xenoblade? DKC?) - Feb-March 2024
Super Mario Odyssey 2 - Summer 2014

They can easily have a short lull in releases in the first 10 months of 2013 and then be ready to punch out some games over the next 12 months to launch a system.

BOTW is not only one of the best games in history it was then followed by a constant stream of games including MK8, Splatoon 2, Disgaea V, Arms, MK Rabbids, Sonic Mania, Minecraft, Fire Emblem Warriors, SMO, XBC2, Doom, Skyrim etc... the were around 200 games released for it in year one that's why NS took off and maintained momentum, four of the first party games released in the first year are 10m sellers with three now being 20m sellers and one heading to 40m that highlights how much fire power was unleashed in that years line up especially as three of these games were out in the first four months.

The only thing I'm arguing against is the apparent inability of Nintendo to launch and support a system at the end of 2023 because of games launching in 2022, so the 3rd party games aren't really relevant to what I'm discussing as the question is just this.

"Can Nintendo not release 1st party titles to support a system at the end of 2023 and throughout 2024?"

But like I've said I believe it IS possible for Nintendo to launch a system at the end of 2023 and follow it with a constant stream of games throughout 2024. I don't think their 2022 line-up means they can't begin a stream of content at the end of 2023. Just because they have a strong line-up in 2022 doesn't mean they will have nothing for 2023 and 1st half 2024, otherwise we're looking at a very sad state of affairs after December 2022 passes.

I'm NOT arguing that Nintendo will launch a new console in 2023, I'm arguing that the idea Nintendo would be unable to get software ready for a launch at that time is wrong.

Nintendo aren't blowing their load next year and then going to be completely fucked for 18 months.

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ShadowLink93 on 04 November 2021

Software is actually holding up well to 2020 despite hardware tanking.



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Kakadu18 on 04 November 2021
ShadowLink93 said:
curl-6 said:

I don't know why people expected more hardware than this to be honest, given the quarter had no big new games and a new model was imminent.

It seemed fairly predictable to me that this would be a relatively weak quarter for hardware sales.

Looking back in hindsight the signs were there, the Lite model has nosedived into the dirt and for Switch to be outsold in the September NPD in units by the elusive PS5 was a bad omen. The famitsu sales were declining so i expected hardware to be down yoy but not by 44%. I've adjusted my expectations from 26-27m to 23-24m for the fiscal year.

I'm adjusting my expectations down to 25mil, from also 26-27. Probably the first OLED shipment was not included in this shipment update.



Kakadu18 on 04 November 2021
Zippy6 said:
Wyrdness said:

BOTW is not only one of the best games in history it was then followed by a constant stream of games including MK8, Splatoon 2, Disgaea V, Arms, MK Rabbids, Sonic Mania, Minecraft, Fire Emblem Warriors, SMO, XBC2, Doom, Skyrim etc... the were around 200 games released for it in year one that's why NS took off and maintained momentum, four of the first party games released in the first year are 10m sellers with three now being 20m sellers and one heading to 40m that highlights how much fire power was unleashed in that years line up especially as three of these games were out in the first four months.

The only thing I'm arguing against is the apparent inability of Nintendo to launch and support a system at the end of 2023 because of games launching in 2022, so the 3rd party games aren't really relevant to what I'm discussing as the question is just this.

"Can Nintendo not release 1st party titles to support a system at the end of 2023 and throughout 2024?"

But like I've said I believe it IS possible for Nintendo to launch a system at the end of 2023 and follow it with a constant stream of games throughout 2024. I don't think their 2022 line-up means they can't begin a stream of content at the end of 2023. Just because they have a strong line-up in 2022 doesn't mean they will have nothing for 2023 and 1st half 2024, otherwise we're looking at a very sad state of affairs after December 2022 passes.

I'm NOT arguing that Nintendo will launch a new console in 2023, I'm arguing that the idea Nintendo would be unable to get software ready for a launch at that time is wrong.

I think they could have a good launch lineup if they launched holiday 2023, just not really the right one, apart maybe from MK9.



ShadowLink93 on 04 November 2021



zorg1000 on 04 November 2021

The only reason these hardware numbers should be considered disappointing is if you expected the first batch of OLED shipments to be included, otherwise it's a really solid quarter.



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ShadowLink93 on 04 November 2021

After the first half of FY 21-22 the NSW sits at 8.28m hardware units shipped, compared to 4.89m in 17-18, 5.07m in 18-19, 6.93m in 19-20 and 12.53m in 20-21.

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