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For me personally, there is one thing I want is Smash to run better and I'm willing to pay for that. I'd also like the ability to add friends on Smash to be easier and more intuitive. And better chat controls, voice and text chat. Everything else I don't care for.

At the end of the day, the online service is so devoid of features and of low quality I don't think we should be charged for it until they fix it. It's 2021 for Pete's sakes. We have the greatest Go players being beaten by AI, computer-brain interfaces, space shuttle launches that land back on earth, yet can't offer a decent online experience?

No.

Last edited by padib - on 21 October 2021

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xPhenom08x said:

I have Nintendo Online and Playstation Network, I seriously don't understand what I am being offered with Playstation Network that I should be taking advantage of. The usual complaints I see are bad connection/quality, the voice chat app, missing party chat, and bad value.

Bad Connection/Quality I guess must depend on the game. I have always used ethernet so I just don't see any difference when playing Overwatch on Switch and PS4. Visually yes but connection no. Paladins and Rogue Company also have great connection for me. Smash Bros I have experienced some lag. Sounds more like a Smash problem since other Nintendo games run great online like Splatoon. So I just don't see the issue here.

Missing party chat is legit, I personally am no longer a fan because I hate getting into lobbies of games and everyone is in party chat with friends. Kind of hard to cooperate with teammates when no one is talking. Miss the good old days of toxic talk in lobbies of Call of duty. The game starts and we go at it. So yes I don't care for it but Ninty should probably add it one day.

Bad value, I don't agree with this either. Alot of you ignore the family plan because you can't admit that would be an awesome feature if Sony added it. Ninty knows it exist so they have to keep it in mind when deciding what to offer in it. Everyone gets the same benefits so I seriously pay Ninty $5 a year(7 people on my plan) I'll take that over 60 a year with games I don't care for. They are usually old so if I wanted I would not have waited. Nintendo knows up to 8 different systems could pay less than 5 dollars a year for their service without discounts or finding it cheaper. Whom ever gets the closes to zero for online multiplayer is the best value to me. 

The voice app? Who even uses that? Some of the posters truly believe you can't even voice chat on Switch lmao. News flash, only Nintendo games and a select few third parties use that app. It's completely up to the developer on whether to use that app. Fortnite, Overwatch, Apex Legends, Paladins, Rogue Company, Warface, Rocket League and nearly every other online multiplayer game on Switch supports just plugging in a headset and talk like every other system. 

In closing, I can understand someone that truly takes advantage of those free games could love Sony/Micro's value but I seriously doubt if both companies offered a lower multiplayer only plan people wouldn't jump for it. When PS3 had free online, Sonys subscribers for PSN was far lower. Online multiplayer is all the majority wants and Nintendo offers the closes to zero. So I personally don't see how they are better. 

You are totally rigth, in a family program you pay 10 bucks a year for the premium plan, no other company (Sony/MS) offer it.



34 years playing games.

 

Bandorr said:

Two prong reasons.
1) I'm not looking for 7 other people to split a plan with. The assumption that you can do this automatically and without hassle is insane.
2) I like those games. Some are old some are new. But at least they all came out this century.

Oh and 3 ) Proper cloud saves. It saves any game. None of this "pick and choose" crap Nintendo is pulling.

Oh and maybe 4) Does Nintendo give discounts based on having their service? I don't think so but I'm not 100% sure. The discounts PS and Xbox give are quite nice.

If i remember correctly, in another thread you said:

"That may be one of the quickest nopes I've ever done.

From $35 to $80. An additional $45 for a handful of N64, Genesis and WTF ever comes with Animal crossing. They are insane".

So your post in that thread imply taht you have a family subscription to NSO... so why are you now telling us that is not of your interest to look for people to get in your family plan?, i think you don't even have a Switch.

Link to the thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/245335/what-the-literal-heck-nintendo/1/



34 years playing games.

 

Before I begin I don't claim to be an expert on this, I have a PS4 and have never paid for online either. 

From my perspective the quality of online play on Wii was pretty bad. I remember trying to play Brawl and giving up because the game lagged so much. I also recall painful match ups leading to large gaps between matches and a crashing system (when they drop out) - not necessarily Nintendos fault but there was no attempt to improve this. BUT it was free! So why complain? In addition I was allowed to pay for and download the odd classic game, fine by me.

Now we have Switch, I tried Ultimate using the online trial, my experience? Pretty much the same as the Wii days. Except now we pay... and I'm also asked to pay to store my Pokemon... oh AND again to transfer from previous generations. 

And then we have expansion passes, anyone remember this?:

"And one thing Nintendo has determined as a company policy, what we are not going to do is create a full game and then say, ‘let's hold this back for DLC.' That's not our plan. We're definitely not doing that" - 2012 Iwata

Im sorry but that is definitely happening nowdays, again Pokemon being a big culprit. 

If the service was more reliable and more was included I'd consider paying, but when the best they've got is "pay significantly more to not own these games"... I'm just not interested. 

Then I compare this to my online FREE experience on Steam? No competition.



 

Teriol said:
Bandorr said:

Two prong reasons.
1) I'm not looking for 7 other people to split a plan with. The assumption that you can do this automatically and without hassle is insane.
2) I like those games. Some are old some are new. But at least they all came out this century.

Oh and 3 ) Proper cloud saves. It saves any game. None of this "pick and choose" crap Nintendo is pulling.

Oh and maybe 4) Does Nintendo give discounts based on having their service? I don't think so but I'm not 100% sure. The discounts PS and Xbox give are quite nice.

If i remember correctly, in another thread you said:

"That may be one of the quickest nopes I've ever done.

From $35 to $80. An additional $45 for a handful of N64, Genesis and WTF ever comes with Animal crossing. They are insane".

So your post in that thread imply taht you have a family subscription to NSO... so why are you now telling us that is not of your interest to look for people to get in your family plan?, i think you don't even have a Switch.

Link to the thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/245335/what-the-literal-heck-nintendo/1/

Shilling I get. You are getting paid "secretly" to advertise a product. What I don't get is this type of comment. You aren't being paid by Nintendo. You get nothing from this desperate fanatically defense of a company.  I also get nothing for "Defaming" a company and would get nothing from lying about having a switch. So getting this stupidity out of the way I'll move on.

I have three switches (OG, Animal Crossing, Lite).  I also have the Nintendo online family plan with one person.  Let's reiterate that part to be clear ONE person.  So my family plan is two.

35/2 = 17.5 80/2 = 40.

The original poster of this thread has a family plan with six other people.  That's 7 people.

35/7 = 5.  80/7 =  11 (ish)

So to take the argument "Everyone gets the same benefits so I seriously pay Ninty $5 a year(7 people on my plan)" you would need 6 other people. Of which I'm calling out that BS.  I'm not hunting down 5 additional people to make the fee lower. Thus my point of calling it insane.

To argue it is "$5" you also have to have 6 other people. If you don't - it doesn't. One requires the other.

I hope this very basic math lesson has solved the problem for you. If you need additional tutoring look elsewhere I will give such childish actions no more attention.



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Bandorr said:
Teriol said:

If i remember correctly, in another thread you said:

"That may be one of the quickest nopes I've ever done.

From $35 to $80. An additional $45 for a handful of N64, Genesis and WTF ever comes with Animal crossing. They are insane".

So your post in that thread imply taht you have a family subscription to NSO... so why are you now telling us that is not of your interest to look for people to get in your family plan?, i think you don't even have a Switch.

Link to the thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/245335/what-the-literal-heck-nintendo/1/

Shilling I get. You are getting paid "secretly" to advertise a product. What I don't get is this type of comment. You aren't being paid by Nintendo. You get nothing from this desperate fanatically defense of a company.  I also get nothing for "Defaming" a company and would get nothing from lying about having a switch. So getting this stupidity out of the way I'll move on.

I have three switches (OG, Animal Crossing, Lite).  I also have the Nintendo online family plan with one person.  Let's reiterate that part to be clear ONE person.  So my family plan is two.

35/2 = 17.5 80/2 = 40.

The original poster of this thread has a family plan with six other people.  That's 7 people.

35/7 = 5.  80/7 =  11 (ish)

So to take the argument "Everyone gets the same benefits so I seriously pay Ninty $5 a year(7 people on my plan)" you would need 6 other people. Of which I'm calling out that BS.  I'm not hunting down 5 additional people to make the fee lower. Thus my point of calling it insane.

To argue it is "$5" you also have to have 6 other people. If you don't - it doesn't. One requires the other.

I hope this very basic math lesson has solved the problem for you. If you need additional tutoring look elsewhere I will give such childish actions no more attention.

Just keep paying the basic plan, its more afordable, and by the things you are saying you dont want N64 or Megadrive, so keep paying 19.99 a year, see? Sony or MS don't offer you a basic plan like that, there are other people like me that see a lot of value on a 10 bucks or less for  the Premiun plan on a family plan and we dont have a problem looking for another people to join us, man its just send a f*** mail and done you are now in the family group.



34 years playing games.

 

d21lewis said:

I'm sure everything I'm about to say has been said already but,  here goes...

Also, I use Xbox online instead of Playstation so some of these may or may not apply to PSN. I also have Nintendo's online service. 

- If you see your friend playing online, you can't join request to join them. You can't message them. You basically know they're online and that's it. 

- You can't follow their "feed". Screenshots, accomplishments,  etc. You don't get thar.  Just a list of games that they play and how long they have played it. 

- On Xbox,  every game is automatically backed up.  No matter what you play on (console, PC, another console,  streaming) as soon as you log in, your save is there.  On Nintendo, it's a whole process of restoration that doesn't always work. My Bayonetta save is backed up but won't transfer to my Switch Lite. Animal Crossing wasn't supported and needed an entire transfer app.

- On Xbox, digital games are available on the primary Xbox whether online or offline. They're also available on a second Xbox as long as you're logged in. You can literally buy a game and play it on two different systems at the same time.

-Same thing applies to the Online service. You can use it on the primary system no matter what and on a secondary system as long as you're logged in. 

- You can message, follow, send friend requests to people who are not your friend. 

- You can "gift" games to other gamers as long as you know their name

- You can group chat, group message, send pics, and follow specific game communities 

- You can "co-pilot" someone else's game.  If you're watching them play (streaming) they can turn the controls over to you and you can play their game. 

-Leader boards for most games compare your scores, achievements, bullets fired, miles driven, etc to your friends 

- "free" Xbox 360 and Xbox One games every month. Some great. Some such.

- Monthly discounts for subscribers 

- Any game captures or screenshots are readily available at any time on your mobile device 

- even without subscription, you can stream/play on a PC as long as it's on the same network. Possibly a mobile device as well. 

-Full web browsers (a full and complete version of Microsoft Edge that allows you to save and download content to your system)

-Mod support for a handful of games

I know I'm missing a lot more features. And I know a lot of what I'm posting won't appeal to you but there you go.  Meanwhile, on Nintendo I've never successfully played with one of my close to 100 friends. On the Wii U (oddly enough), I have. I haven't played Mario Kart 8 online in a while but when I did, I always lost connection after a few games. I couldn't even log into Resident Evil's website without paying for the online service. $20 a year is basically nothing and I do have great nostalgia for the SNES Era...and great ptsd for the NES Era. I loathe the N64 and have no strong feelings for the Sega Genesis, either way.  Believe it or not,  Nintendo is my favorite gaming company but their service is not even on par with the original Xbox or PS2--systems that came out two decades ago!

Here's my Switch ID:SW-0666-6288-1304

That's odd.  Now granted I only play Splatoon2 online but there were 4 or 5 of us on here that used to regularly play together.  Every splatfest we would have a team.  Sometimes one of us would drop but it wasn't constant. I have spent a very small fraction on software for the Switch compared to the WiiU so my experience with any other multi-player games on Switch is non existent.

I can't even remember who it was/is now on this site was/is on my family plan for the switch.  I had plenty of family members to add to the plan, but had a spot or 2 left open and gave it to them.  35 a year is peanuts .... $180 for 3 people in the house to play Splatoon2 at the same time perhaps not so much.  The other 2 have always handled digital game sharing better in my opinion and now that I've bitched I'll acknowledge that that is a whole other discussion.



Well since you asked, what you get with Xbox live and PSN is up to date online functionality and both services continue to add features and innovate. Nintendo however is still missing features from 2 generations ago.



GoOnKid said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

I know I can transfer it to my phone, I've done it tons of times during MHRise to send videos to other people on weapon combo damage, and it is NOT hosted by Nintendo's servers: it's sent to your phone directly via the Switch through WiFi.

And clearly I was referring to the mobile app.  Did you know I DON'T need to pair my phone up briefly to download it from a browser with the Xbox app?  That when I hit the capture button on the controller, the Xbox auto-uploads it to their servers, and all I do is grab my phone, pull up the app, and everything is right there ready to download to my phone?  You might think you can take all the bullets to save Nintendo from this one, but you're seriously outnumbered.  And I'm not talking public opinion: Nintendo's "online" aspects are massively outpaced by literally every platform in gaming with the only exception being Miiverse, the one good online thing they did (despite its community being, erhm, a bit eccentric...) that they canned.  They literally do NOT understand online gaming at its core (friend codes, ANYONE?!), and then they also took away the VC which I literally am included in the many people that liked it.  Nintendo literally took away two of their good things and gave us... whatever the fuck NSO is lol

To whoever it was that said most Switch games are on cloud saves:

No, the cloud saves do not include most games, just the popular exclusives and bigger games.  I can literally point to games right now on my Switch that don't have it because the cloud saves are based on the game, not on the user profile.  Another backwards-minded "online" concept of theirs...

I'm not taking any bullets, I just can't figure out how something so insanely minor can be such a big deal. Moleholes and mountains. Alright I admit it, I was wrong, the images are not on Nintendos servers. So what? How does this matter? Genuine question, how many people even send screenshots around? Of course you will say a lot. Of course I will say a few.

The most important complaint I hear is bad connectivity, and I'd argue that this is probably the only relevant point at all in this entire discussion. But, shockingly enough, this problem exists with Playstation and Xbox as well, however only Nintendo gets dissed about it. Why is that? Because people are fooled into thinking that a high price must mean a high quality service. Dropouts, connectivity issues, wifi problems, lag, staggering and buffering, all this happens on all consoles. But shhhh, that's not what the crowd wants to hear.

It's about the quality of service that Nintendo's "online" functionality does not serve.  Maybe you should have quoted my entire post where this was simply another point that you attempted to refute only to find out that the competition does things like this much better.

And no, who says I said a lot?  Sometimes, I want to share things with people directly and NOT post it to social media, and the Xbox makes that very easy and convenient to do.  Nintendo does not.  This permeates into everything else people are mentioning in the thread, too.  Something as simple as seeing friends online and sending a message or a game invite are done so easily, except with Nintendo where we may pay less, but it's called "online" with barely any online functions.

The issue is not "bad connectivity", it is consistently the absolute lack of functionality or quality in its methods.  The bad connectivity is because of how decades old some of the netcode they use is in their games is (namely Smash, unironically one of their most popular franchises...), or the lack of simple things like matchmaking (which would have made Mario Party's online function an absolute hoot...).  Instead, people are left to do things in roundabout ways to "solve" the problem that really should be made easier by the very people they're paying.  "Just go find a forum to play with randos in Mario Party".  No, I'd like to be able to turn it on, hit the "Quick Match" option, and be matched up with others who want to bust their controllers trying to beat me in minigames.



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