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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS5 Sales Top 12 Million - Global Hardware September 19-25

curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

they are 100% sold out for Series X, and well S is available in plenty of stores.

And I could turn your argument on you saying USA is a single country as well =p

But if a statistically significant number of people were importing from the US like from Japan, that would mean more of its share would be from the US, not less.

Not from USA, but to USA or UK.

But again the core of my point is with the system sold out in every single country you can't trust the sales distribution to mantain along the gen at all



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

But if a statistically significant number of people were importing from the US like from Japan, that would mean more of its share would be from the US, not less.

Not from USA, but to USA or UK.

But again the core of my point is with the system sold out in every single country you can't trust the sales distribution to mantain along the gen at all

I'm not saying it will stay this way, just that at present it's different to its predecessor. We'll get a clearer picture over time if this is a genuine change or just a temporary thing.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

Not from USA, but to USA or UK.

But again the core of my point is with the system sold out in every single country you can't trust the sales distribution to mantain along the gen at all

I'm not saying it will stay this way, just that at present it's different to its predecessor. We'll get a clearer picture over time if this is a genuine change or just a temporary thing.

And I'm saying any analysis of the present is totally worthless. Could the ratio of sales between PS and Xbox be totally different even in the present if there were no stock constrains? Most certainly.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

My gut estimate is that 2:1 in favour of the ps5 seems a very likely ratio in the end of this gen. Considering that last gen MS did everything wrong and Sony everything right, that would be the lower spectrum. A PS2 like dominance on the other hand will be unlikely also.



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DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

I'm not saying it will stay this way, just that at present it's different to its predecessor. We'll get a clearer picture over time if this is a genuine change or just a temporary thing.

And I'm saying any analysis of the present is totally worthless. Could the ratio of sales between PS and Xbox be totally different even in the present if there were no stock constrains? Most certainly.

I'd disagree on it being "totally worthless", I think MS isn't clueless about how to distribute what stock they have, and the Series S isn't supply constrained, at least not to the extent that the Series X is.



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curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

And I'm saying any analysis of the present is totally worthless. Could the ratio of sales between PS and Xbox be totally different even in the present if there were no stock constrains? Most certainly.

I'd disagree on it being "totally worthless", I think MS isn't clueless about how to distribute what stock they have, and the Series S isn't supply constrained, at least not to the extent that the Series X is.

So would them Sony be clueless?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

I'd disagree on it being "totally worthless", I think MS isn't clueless about how to distribute what stock they have, and the Series S isn't supply constrained, at least not to the extent that the Series X is.

So would them Sony be clueless?

No. I never said or implied that.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

So would them Sony be clueless?

No. I never said or implied that.

And I`m doing the same consideration for both companies. Neither company spread of sales is thrustyworthy at this moment, nor the % per territory, nor the % of S vs X or Digital vs Physical, nor the difference betwen Series And PS sales.

Again PS5 sold 1M in Japan with 500k SW, that is just to low, it should be at least 2-3M SW sold for that number of HW. And Series seems to be in an even worse situation of SW tie ratio in Japan.

So yes, if the spread of USA vs other territories keep up for Xbox that is great, but I don`t think it really will. It is on a moment that every single territory would buy more than what they are receiving. Or would you disagree that Xbox could perhaps be selling 50 to 100% more in USA or any other individual country if MS focused the shipment over there? Same for Sony. We just don`t know.

Like, Brazil is on a very sad situation at the moment, a PS5 costs about 4 months of minimum wage right now (if the person saved 100%), there was a new batch of arrivals for digital stores (like 10 different ones), it sold out in all of them in like 2h, deliveries starting in November 11. And this seems to be a big shipment, because on previous occasion tere were sold out in like 5min. Xbox Series X is quite similar situation, here only S is readily available. And we have been hearing similar stories in several countries. So again, the real distribution without constrains could be totally different than what we are seeing, and could even be with even more sales outside of USA/UK for Xbox than right now.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:

No. I never said or implied that.

And I`m doing the same consideration for both companies. Neither company spread of sales is thrustyworthy at this moment, nor the % per territory, nor the % of S vs X or Digital vs Physical, nor the difference betwen Series And PS sales.

Again PS5 sold 1M in Japan with 500k SW, that is just to low, it should be at least 2-3M SW sold for that number of HW. And Series seems to be in an even worse situation of SW tie ratio in Japan.

So yes, if the spread of USA vs other territories keep up for Xbox that is great, but I don`t think it really will. It is on a moment that every single territory would buy more than what they are receiving. Or would you disagree that Xbox could perhaps be selling 50 to 100% more in USA or any other individual country if MS focused the shipment over there? Same for Sony. We just don`t know.

Like, Brazil is on a very sad situation at the moment, a PS5 costs about 4 months of minimum wage right now (if the person saved 100%), there was a new batch of arrivals for digital stores (like 10 different ones), it sold out in all of them in like 2h, deliveries starting in November 11. And this seems to be a big shipment, because on previous occasion tere were sold out in like 5min. Xbox Series X is quite similar situation, here only S is readily available. And we have been hearing similar stories in several countries. So again, the real distribution without constrains could be totally different than what we are seeing, and could even be with even more sales outside of USA/UK for Xbox than right now.

I think both companies are smart enough at allocating stock that the proportions we have here, while not perfectly accurate by any means, are not at all "totally worthless". Would they be different with more availability? Quite possibly, but probably not massively different.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

Series s holiday numbers are going to be interesting, if there enough stock on shelves right now it could do peak wii numbers during the holidays



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