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How many subscribers does MS need for other companies to follow?

20 million 6 13.33%
 
30 million 4 8.89%
 
40 million 6 13.33%
 
50 million 13 28.89%
 
60 million 2 4.44%
 
70 million 1 2.22%
 
80 million 0 0%
 
90 million 1 2.22%
 
150 million + 12 26.67%
 
Total:45
kirby007 on 11 October 2021
eva01beserk said:
kirby007 said:

no, im just saying the comparison holds regarding the streaming, not regarding the product being streamed

So then is reasonable to assume that it will not see the same type of growth since its a diferent product? Or that because one product made it, doesn't guaranty a different product will also make it. wright? 

@bolded, jup as pointed out before many variables are different so a direct comparison of growth models like src does looks legit, but is meaningless in the end



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eva01beserk on 11 October 2021
kirby007 said:
eva01beserk said:

So then is reasonable to assume that it will not see the same type of growth since its a diferent product? Or that because one product made it, doesn't guaranty a different product will also make it. wright? 

@bolded, jup as pointed out before many variables are different so a direct comparison of growth models like src does looks legit, but is meaningless in the end

Sort of agree. But Why is the other side not being called out when they are praising the coming of gamepass like if its jesus? Cuz for you to say that would mean both sides are ridiculous. But on SRC's point, the data we have now points to it not being successful now after a decent amount of time has elapse. So its easier to believe the doom scenario to be more likely. 



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kirby007 on 11 October 2021

Because it is the best value in gaming... outside of pirating.

And thats what matters, i dont give a damn if ms throws in another 30 billion before it becomes sustainable.

Saying growth isnt good based on the latest official datapoint being 18m, im calling it premature.
Honestly him claiming that the switch is dropping from a cliff 3 years ago invalides any point he makes regarding calling things early from my point of view



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LudicrousSpeed on 11 October 2021

When did Papa Phil even call GamePass the “Netflix of gaming”? All I remember him ever saying regarding Netflix is that GamePass could offer a place for single player narrative stories much like Netflix has offered a place for movies or shows that otherwise would have no home. He has also said he doesn’t like the “Netflix of gaming” term because all of the GamePass content is sold outside of the service. With Netflix you have to subscribe for 99.9% of it.

Either way the financials being thrown around this thread are based on nonsense and guesswork.



smroadkill15 on 11 October 2021
eva01beserk said:
smroadkill15 said:

It's comparable because they share similar characteristics of a sub services, but the kind of content and audiences for both differs. We have some acting like they know for a fact Game Pass will fail, even though it's likely them projecting their feelings about Game Pass, because it's not seeing the same growth Netflix has had the last few years. A fairly new sub service in a completely different side of entertainment should be doing the same as Netflix? It's such a weird take and we have no idea where Game Pass will be in 5-10 years. 

That is exactly the point people are making, but people here like to pick and choose wich metric to compare when its favorable to their argument. And the ones dismissing data seem to be pro gamepass. Because the biggest issue wich you just admitted to is the type of content and which will work in this type of service. Games take to much investment and take to much time and cater to a much smaller audience than shows and movies. 

I'm dismissing the data because those graphs are terribly made and not even accurate. Why doesn't src make a graph comparing the different gaming subs like; PSNow, EA Play, Game Pass, PS+, Xbox Live Gold, etc.? Because it would show how fast the growth for Game Pass really is comparatively, when his whole take is to try and make the service look bad.  



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SvennoJ on 11 October 2021
Signalstar said:

That's just not true. I may not like Netflix original movies but they do spend a lot of money on them from time to time.

The Irishman cost $200 million.

Bright, Roma, Six Underground, and Red Notice are others.

Netflix just spent $400 million for two sequels to Knives Out.

Those are blockbuster figures.

The Irishman was quite enjoyable, in 5 sittings that is. I've never even heard of the other ones. I'm currently struggling to get through some Japanese movie on Netflix, very much running out of things to watch. And I watch an hour at most daily.

If it was just me watching Netflix (in the house) I would cancel it and go back to tv. (Dr Death seems interesting, just started watching that) It's kinda nice to be able to understand the actors again without needing subtitles :)

Is that the future of game streaming services as well? Have to cater to a wider and wider audience as the user base grows, while old content to serve for cheap dries up and competition stiffens. The Irishman is already 2 years old, not exactly new content anymore.



smroadkill15 on 11 October 2021
eva01beserk said:
kirby007 said:

@bolded, jup as pointed out before many variables are different so a direct comparison of growth models like src does looks legit, but is meaningless in the end

Sort of agree. But Why is the other side not being called out when they are praising the coming of gamepass like if its jesus? Cuz for you to say that would mean both sides are ridiculous. But on SRC's point, the data we have now points to it not being successful now after a decent amount of time has elapse. So its easier to believe the doom scenario to be more likely. 

Game Pass gets praised because it's a fantastic service, and the value is greater than anything in comparison to gaming. I could ask why someone who clearly don't even use the service, must to go out of their way to bash it? God forbid, Xbox has something over Playstation for a change, and some just can't seem to handle it like src so they do everything they can to downplay it. It's sad tbh. His data wasn't even correct. 



eva01beserk on 11 October 2021
kirby007 said:

Because it is the best value in gaming... outside of pirating.

And thats what matters, i dont give a damn if ms throws in another 30 billion before it becomes sustainable.

Saying growth isnt good based on the latest official datapoint being 18m, im calling it premature.
Honestly him claiming that the switch is dropping from a cliff 3 years ago invalides any point he makes regarding calling things early from my point of view

Thats your opinion and differs as I find it horrible for quality, and you seem to just want it to succeed than look at the current state of it and see that its struguling. 



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eva01beserk on 11 October 2021
smroadkill15 said:
eva01beserk said:

That is exactly the point people are making, but people here like to pick and choose wich metric to compare when its favorable to their argument. And the ones dismissing data seem to be pro gamepass. Because the biggest issue wich you just admitted to is the type of content and which will work in this type of service. Games take to much investment and take to much time and cater to a much smaller audience than shows and movies. 

I'm dismissing the data because those graphs are terribly made and not even accurate. Why doesn't src make a graph comparing the different gaming subs like; PSNow, EA Play, Game Pass, PS+, Xbox Live Gold, etc.? Because it would show how fast the growth for Game Pass really is comparatively, when his whole take is to try and make the service look bad.  

Can there be acurate data if MS dont disclose numbers? Are we to asume everything is jjust peachy? 

He should do those graphs. And again leave MS outcuz they dont sshare data? 



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eva01beserk on 11 October 2021
smroadkill15 said:
eva01beserk said:

Sort of agree. But Why is the other side not being called out when they are praising the coming of gamepass like if its jesus? Cuz for you to say that would mean both sides are ridiculous. But on SRC's point, the data we have now points to it not being successful now after a decent amount of time has elapse. So its easier to believe the doom scenario to be more likely. 

Game Pass gets praised because it's a fantastic service, and the value is greater than anything in comparison to gaming. I could ask why someone who clearly don't even use the service, must to go out of their way to bash it? God forbid, Xbox has something over Playstation for a change, and some just can't seem to handle it like src so they do everything they can to downplay it. It's sad tbh. His data wasn't even correct. 

Because like i said before, I find gamepass to be a a horrible service that will just devalue games and take them slowly into the mobile free to play market. Its something I would hate to see any other company follow. maybe SRC feels the same way. 



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