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Who has the best 2022 lineup so far?

Nintendo 65 52.85%
 
Playstation 36 29.27%
 
Xbox 16 13.01%
 
Undecided/NA 6 4.88%
 
Total:123
PotentHerbs said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Bold: Splatoon 1 sold over 5mil, Splatoon 2 sold over 10mil, Splatoon 3 can sold over 15mil. That least pull costs a lot less to make than many Sony games while selling way more, that's funny.

Bold 2:

-higher game prices for 6-12 months only then drop very fast, Nintendo games will almost always be $60 for entire the generation.

-Sony games cost a lot more to make compared to Nintendo games.

-Sony has growing digital sales, but Nintendo has both growing physical sales + digital sales, BoTW can sell 30mil LT, no Zelda game before can come close to that, many Nintendo series sold a lot more compared to their previous gen.

Who said anything about the majority of Sony games? Do you think Splatoon 3 has more pull than GT7, HFW or GoWR? Simple question. If not, Sony would have the strongest 2022 based on the sales strength of their first party software. The amount of profit Sony/Nintendo make has no value to this question, due to the variables that make up revenue/profit (IE. Nintendo selling full priced software might be the driving factor in their profitability but its not the only factor) & the fact that we're still in the infancy of the current generation to determine such trends. 

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While Playstation first party games cost a lot to produce, they also have more avenues to make up money (IE. PS Now/Plus/PC) & Playstation IP's are being adapted to other mediums. Imagine, a property like TLOU generating billions in revenue through gaming, television or even mobile, Sony is one of the few companies that can expand an IP like this. Sony has a lot more competition on their platform making price drops necessary. Even a massive franchise like GTA can't remain at full price for a whole generation. However, you still get premium quality, tons of variety & flexible software pricing, making the Playstation walled garden a lot more enticing than the Nintendo walled garden. But hey, you like paying full price for a game that released three years ago, then flex! 

So you think BoTW & Splatoon can grow but GoW & HZD will remain stagnant? For all we know, GoWR can reach 30+ Million lifetime, while HFW reaches 25+ Million lifetime. What makes you think SIE IP will stop growing this generation? Also, Nintendo digital sales aren't growing at the rate that Playstation digital sales are, and their subscription services are still a generation behind.

Bold 1: Splatoon 2 sold over 10 mil, Splatoon 3 can sell over 15 mil, that's more than GT7 for sure.

Bold 2: Sony games are selling bigger, but so are Nintendo games.

Bold 3: Nintendo also did the same, thank you for reminding me.

Bold 4: more like the value of Nintendo games are in a different league compared to Sony games. 

Bold 5: the same as bold 2. 

GoWR can reach 30+ Million lifetime, Mario Kart 8 on Switch already passed that number long ago. 

HFW reaches 25+ Million, BoTW1's leg will pass that easily, and BoTW2 can even sell 30-35mil LT.

Bold 6: Digital sales, sure. Physical sales, Nintendo is growing at a much higher rate than Sony.

Bold 7: Quite irrelevant to the sales of Nintendo games.

Last edited by HoangNhatAnh - on 28 September 2021

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Nintendo looks to have the strongest line-up, yet personally it's Sony for me with HZD, GT7 and God of War.
From Nintendo I'll only play BotW2, and from MS, maybe Starfield depending on reviews.



Nintendo so far has the better 2022 lineup. IDK if someone mentioned it yet, but their 2022 year looks like a repeat of the Switch Launch year (March 2017-March 2018).
Zelda
Kirby
Bayonetta
Mario Rabbids
Splatoon

All that's missing is ARMS, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Mario, and Mario Kart for a complete repeat.



HoangNhatAnh said:

Bold 1: Splatoon 2 sold over 10 mil, Splatoon 3 can sell over 15 mil, that's more than GT7 for sure.

Bold 2: Sony games are selling bigger, but so are Nintendo games.

Bold 3: Nintendo also did the same, thank you for reminding me.

Bold 4: more like the value of Nintendo games are in a different league compared to Sony games. 

Bold 5: the same as bold 2. 

GoWR can reach 30+ Million lifetime, Mario Kart 8 on Switch already passed that number long ago. 

HFW reaches 25+ Million, BoTW1's leg will pass that easily, and BoTW2 can even sell 30-35mil LT.

Bold 6: Digital sales, sure. Physical sales, Nintendo is growing at a much higher rate than Sony.

Bold 7: Quite irrelevant to the sales of Nintendo games.

(1) How do you know GT7 won't sell over 15+ Million? Splatoon 3 selling over 15+ Million is far from a guarantee. 

(2) Both brands are continuing to grow, that's my point, but Sony is a lot more capable of creating new IP's that go on to become massive hits. Sequels to GOT & HZD are primed to sell over 20+ Million while Nintendo heavy hitters are IP's that had decades to grow. 

(3) Sony is on another level when it comes to expanding IP. Nintendo has very few movie/film adaptation of their IP's & its usually Pokemon. Sony already started a bidding war between Netflix/Disney for the rights to stream their upcoming movie adaptations for their games. 

(4) More like tougher competition on the Playstation platform. GTAV has likely outsold MK8, while titles like RDR2, COD, FIFA contend with the rest of Nintendo's first party sales wise, and that's before getting into the 10+ Million sellers or SIE IP like HZD, GOW, TLOU, Uncharted, etc. The true value of Nintendo is their ingenuity, as we can see with the Switch hybrid & the novelty of the Wii, their software is a beneficiary of it. 

(5) GOWR can match whatever BOTW2 sells. HFW & Pokemon will be neck and neck. MK8 isn't a 2022 title, and quite frankly a more apt comparison would be SM2, which will be one of the biggest games on the PS5 (up there with the juggernaut that will be GTA6).

(6) I'm sure Nintendo would rather have the majority of their consumers adapt to digital purchases for increased revenue & profit. Physical sales are slowly becoming a small slice of the pie for Sony & even Microsoft. 

(7) Similar to selling hardware, people will subscribe to PS Now for IP's like Spiderman 2 + GOWR, which is another factor to strength of IP. 



PotentHerbs said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Bold 1: Splatoon 2 sold over 10 mil, Splatoon 3 can sell over 15 mil, that's more than GT7 for sure.

Bold 2: Sony games are selling bigger, but so are Nintendo games.

Bold 3: Nintendo also did the same, thank you for reminding me.

Bold 4: more like the value of Nintendo games are in a different league compared to Sony games. 

Bold 5: the same as bold 2. 

GoWR can reach 30+ Million lifetime, Mario Kart 8 on Switch already passed that number long ago. 

HFW reaches 25+ Million, BoTW1's leg will pass that easily, and BoTW2 can even sell 30-35mil LT.

Bold 6: Digital sales, sure. Physical sales, Nintendo is growing at a much higher rate than Sony.

Bold 7: Quite irrelevant to the sales of Nintendo games.

(1) How do you know GT7 won't sell over 15+ Million? Splatoon 3 selling over 15+ Million is far from a guarantee. 

(2) Both brands are continuing to grow, that's my point, but Sony is a lot more capable of creating new IP's that go on to become massive hits. Sequels to GOT & HZD are primed to sell over 20+ Million while Nintendo heavy hitters are IP's that had decades to grow

(3) Sony is on another level when it comes to expanding IP. Nintendo has very few movie/film adaptation of their IP's & its usually Pokemon. Sony already started a bidding war between Netflix/Disney for the rights to stream their upcoming movie adaptations for their games. 

(4) More like tougher competition on the Playstation platform. GTAV has likely outsold MK8, while titles like RDR2, COD, FIFA contend with the rest of Nintendo's first party sales wise, and that's before getting into the 10+ Million sellers or SIE IP like HZD, GOW, TLOU, Uncharted, etc. The true value of Nintendo is their ingenuity, as we can see with the Switch hybrid & the novelty of the Wii, their software is a beneficiary of it. 

(5) GOWR can match whatever BOTW2 sells. HFW & Pokemon will be neck and neck. MK8 isn't a 2022 title, and quite frankly a more apt comparison would be SM2, which will be one of the biggest games on the PS5 (up there with the juggernaut that will be GTA6).

(6) I'm sure Nintendo would rather have the majority of their consumers adapt to digital purchases for increased revenue & profit. Physical sales are slowly becoming a small slice of the pie for Sony & even Microsoft. 

(7) Similar to selling hardware, people will subscribe to PS Now for IP's like Spiderman 2 + GOWR, which is another factor to strength of IP. 

1. How do you know Splatoon 3 won't sell over 15+ Million?  GT7 selling over 15+ Million isn't a guarantee either.

2. Bold: Not Splatoon or Ring Fit Adventure.

3. Did you watch the last direct? Mario movie with Hollywood voice acters are coming next year.

4. We are comparing Sony games and Nintendo games, why do you even bring 3rd party games here?

5. Really? Based on what???

6. Bold: it's opposite to Nintendo, physical sales are becoing bigger and bigger for Nintendo games while their digital sales are also slowly growing. 

7. Then i guess Pokemon Go + Fire Emblem Heroes business are the same things since they helped strengthen Nintendo IPs.



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Unless it’s heavily bundled like the PS4 game was, I highly doubt GoW2 will hit these super high sales some are expecting. And even if it does, a ton of the sales will be discounted. Meanwhile Zelda is a guaranteed massive seller with no bundles and no price drops. On a whole different plateau in terms of sales power.



HoangNhatAnh said:

1. How do you know Splatoon 3 won't sell over 15+ Million?  GT7 selling over 15+ Million isn't a guarantee either.

2. Bold: Not Splatoon or Ring Fit Adventure.

3. Did you watch the last direct? Mario movie with Hollywood voice acters are coming next year.

4. We are comparing Sony games and Nintendo games, why do you even bring 3rd party games here?

5. Really? Based on what???

6. Bold: it's opposite to Nintendo, physical sales are becoing bigger and bigger for Nintendo games while their digital sales are also slowly growing. 

7. Then i guess Pokemon Go + Fire Emblem Heroes business are the same things since they helped strengthen Nintendo IPs.

1. Both are not guaranteed. However, GT7 is in a great position to rebound to a tentpole franchise if GTS is any indication, not to mention the fact that GT itself is an Olympic Event. Add in the fact that Europe is a Playstation stronghold, the growth in RoTW, the Dualsense marketing, GT7 has a better chance to hit 15/20+ Million lifetime than Splatoon 3. 

2. Splatoon and Ring Fit happen to show less sales potential than newer SIE hits like Horizon or GoT. 

3. That doesn't compare to Sony adapting Twisted Metal, Demon's Souls, Ghost of Tsushima, Uncharted, The Last of Us, etc in the coming years. Sony has the inhouse capability to do this.

4. Because third party games are competition to PS4 exclusives. Spiderman & God of War had to compete with RDR2, MHW, COD, Assassins Creed Odyssey, Madden, FIFA, DBFZ, Far Cry, Battlefield V, Soul Caliber VI, Detroit Become Human, among other smaller titles, just in 2018. 

5. Based on the fact that Spiderman is a iconic, evergreen IP, that has been around longer than Mario & has massive growth potential because of the popularity of the MCU. Same reason why Wolverine could end up being a massive seller.

6. Nintendo would still prefer digital growth over physical. The Playstation ecosystem has shifted to majorly digital sales but that didn't stop the PS4 from selling over a billion units of software.

Last edited by PotentHerbs - on 29 September 2021

LudicrousSpeed said:

Unless it’s heavily bundled like the PS4 game was, I highly doubt GoW2 will hit these super high sales some are expecting. And even if it does, a ton of the sales will be discounted. Meanwhile Zelda is a guaranteed massive seller with no bundles and no price drops. On a whole different plateau in terms of sales power.

God of War was never heavily bundled outside of the holiday season (which usually was Black Friday). 



Uh, exactly. Heavily bundled during the months when the consoles sell the most.

IIRC they had insane bundles with GoW, Horizon, and some other game I forget. Maybe LoU?



Uh, exactly. Heavily bundled during the months when the consoles sell the most.

IIRC they had insane bundles with GoW, Horizon, and some other game I forget. Maybe LoU?