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Captain_Yuri said:
SvennoJ said:

The 399 point is pretty gimped by the storage though, and the GPD Win also comes with windows 10 installed (which costs $120 to activate) The ultimate GDP win version comes with 1tb SSD (replaceable), still costs less than my gaming laptop. Its cpu is faster, but less cores and the GPU is much slower. But probably enough for 720p.

Anyway, by the time you have the steam deck gimped out with 1tb storage and windows 10, you're probably looking at $800 as well.

You can get Windows 10 for free from MS officially and it will run without any issues. 1TB SSD costs maybe $200.

But the key here is the entry price point. If a person is going for the $399 price point, they already know what they are getting into. And MicroSD for the majority of PC games isn't a bad option if they don't mind waiting for the load times as most games including a number of AAA games as they are optimized for slow console hard drives which the MicroSD might be able to handle as the read speeds are the important factor. Hopefully DF or someone will do extensive testing soon enough though but we do have some examples from youtubes that tested this. Also Valve themselves said when IGN was testing the Deck, the games were running off of the MicroSD card.

It should work fine from SD cards. 5200 rpm drives only read at about 110 MB/s, not much faster and hampered by seek times. It will be hard for the PC crowd to go back to 5200 rpm drive speeds though. But true, the subsidized 399 entry point does make it look good.



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Soundwave said:
Chrkeller said:

Congrats to software pirates?

Most people don't know how to mod and/or how to download illegal software.  Hence this won't compete with the switch.  But you knew that already.

It really on takes watching a 3-4 minute video on Youtube these days. I remember back in the day how widespread Playstation piracy was and you have to actually soder the mod chip onto the board, but there was a massive market around doing that but people in the 90s were making due. 

DS piracy being quite widespread as the device aged, I think that was a big part of the reason Nintendo wanted to move on to the 3DS. 

Piracy/emulation is inevitably a problem if you want to keep using tech that is very outdated as time goes on, it become easy for piracy to become a problem. 

So I wouldn't say it's so complex that you have to be some kind of computer nerd to figure it out, it's not that hard to install an emulator on a PC. 

I don't know if this one specific model is the be all end, but I can see this doing well enough that Valve keeps iterating other models and eventually starts selling them in major retailers. And I could see other manufacturers trying their hand too, making it kind of like its own product category (Switch like portable PCs). This model is more like the genie coming out of the bottle, but once the genie is out, it's hard to put it back in. 

As previously stated, difficulty is only a piece of the puzzle, the illegal activity of downloading software is another.  But you knew that already.

I don't see many parents buying a Steam Deck and telling Little Johnny to go download a bunch of illegal Nintendo games.  Do you?

This isn't going to compete directly with the Switch, two entirely different demographics, you should know this.



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"The steam will be able to play most Nintendo gamez!"

And I am to be convinced that this is ok how? Nintendo have taking risks for decades and created their IPs out of scratch so that something like the Switch have pillars to stand on, as a result neither SONY nor MS come close in terms of the number of successful IPs they have. Those IPs were born out of sweat and tears, software that is an extension of their hardware, and arguably only exist to live on that hardware. For some other devices to emulate these games and reap the benefits of those IPs without taking any of the risks Nintendo took shouldn't be ok anyway.



My kids wouldn't know how to download illegal software. I could see teenagers knowing but not kids (5 to 12 years old).


And if I caught my kids illegally downloading software there would be hell to pay.

Pirates need to stop justifying their actions and just accept they are breaking the law, full stop.



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LurkerJ said:

"The steam will be able to play most Nintendo gamez!"

And I am to be convinced that this is ok how? Nintendo have taking risks for decades and created their IPs out of scratch so that something like the Switch have pillars to stand on, as a result neither SONY nor MS come close in terms of the number of successful IPs they have. Those IPs were born out of sweat and tears, software that is an extension of their hardware, and arguably only exist to live on that hardware. For some other devices to emulate these games and reap the benefits of those IPs without taking any of the risks Nintendo took shouldn't be ok anyway.

I'm sure if someone owns a physical copy then the software is their to use whatever they want as long they are not exploiting it commercially. Whatever issues Nintendo (or any developer) had to make it it's not my concern, they were already paid for the software they made

For digital I think you don't really have the ownership of your software there is only have a license for using it as long the publisher revoke it, although I don't know if this license is hardware-specific. I guess it's not



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Chrkeller said:

My kids wouldn't know how to download illegal software. I could see teenagers knowing but not kids (5 to 12 years old).


And if I caught my kids illegally downloading software there would be hell to pay.

Pirates need to stop justifying their actions and just accept they are breaking the law, full stop.

A 5 year old won't know how to install an emulator, but a 11 or 12 year old? You'd be surprised.  11/12 year olds are aspiring to be digital content creators on Youtube and Tiktok and all that as a career, lol, watching a video on how to download an emulator is easy peasy.

I'm not saying I condone that, I'm just saying it's the reality of the situation. If you have a popular product that's easy to emulate and/or pirate, it's going to be open season. 



IcaroRibeiro said:
LurkerJ said:

"The steam will be able to play most Nintendo gamez!"

And I am to be convinced that this is ok how? Nintendo have taking risks for decades and created their IPs out of scratch so that something like the Switch have pillars to stand on, as a result neither SONY nor MS come close in terms of the number of successful IPs they have. Those IPs were born out of sweat and tears, software that is an extension of their hardware, and arguably only exist to live on that hardware. For some other devices to emulate these games and reap the benefits of those IPs without taking any of the risks Nintendo took shouldn't be ok anyway.

I'm sure if someone owns a physical copy then the software is their to use whatever they want as long they are not exploiting it commercially. Whatever issues Nintendo (or any developer) had to make it it's not my concern, they were already paid for the software they made

For digital I think you don't really have the ownership of your software there is only have a license for using it as long the publisher revoke it, although I don't know if this license is hardware-specific. I guess it's not

I don't buy for a second most people emulating modern games actually own them. It's just piracy. If you want to emulate Wolf Fang on Bulk Slash on SEGA Saturn. Run Saber on SNES, Ranger X on Genesis then I get it. Those games are stuck on consoles from 20+ years ago. Even PSP I get as Sony is not re-releasing those games.



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Leynos said:

I don't buy for a second most people emulating modern games actually own them. It's just piracy. If you want to emulate Wolf Fang on Bulk Slash on SEGA Saturn. Run Saber on SNES, Ranger X on Genesis then I get it. Those games are stuck on consoles from 20+ years ago. Even PSP I get as Sony is not re-releasing those games.

I also don't believe most of people using emulation actually owns the games legally, unless it's a Switch or 3DS game you can insert in a SD cart and then move to a PC it's incredibly tiresome to make a rom, never done itself myself honestly. All games I played trough emulations were indeed pirate copies

However if you own a copy and don't mind dumping your games to a file then go for it, it's not illegal 



Chrkeller said:

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Pirates need to stop justifying their actions and just accept they are breaking the law, full stop.

I really don't care too much about breaking some laws when I play games that I paid for, in some cases multiple times. So I won't feel bad about playing Tetris or Mega Man on the Steam Deck. I could even play Switch games. I have two of those console and a truckload of games and when I feel like it, no law on earth will prevent me from playing those games on a PC. It just so happens that I prefer to play them on the Switch. But that might change in the future.

So while I accept that I break the law by using emulators, I sure as hell won't stop doing so. 



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Chrkeller said:

My kids wouldn't know how to download illegal software. I could see teenagers knowing but not kids (5 to 12 years old).


And if I caught my kids illegally downloading software there would be hell to pay.

Pirates need to stop justifying their actions and just accept they are breaking the law, full stop.

Are your kids over 10? They probably know, they are either just not doing because you teach them it's wrong, not doing because they don't see the point as they can play everything they want already legally, or just doing and hiding it well from you.

Either case something being illegal or morally wrong never prevent something to happen. It's like drugs, some drugs are illegal in 90% of countries and people still using them anyway.

Back to the thread: I don't know if people who wan't to play things illegally wants to afford Steam Deck. My answer is... err not they definitely won't. Being Piracy-friendly isn't a selling point for Steam Deck. Pirates either a) Wants to play for free or b) want to play  what they can't legally or c) want manipulate software to play modified versions. 

Group a) are already wants to avoid higher spending, of course that includes buying less hardware

Group b) are already retro gaming wherever they can, being emulating their PCs or setting up weird modified versions of older consoles. A Steam Deck will be just another platform for them to emulate, not a replacement for Switch

Group c) these indeed I can see using Steam Deck specifically for the fun of playing Switch games better than the Switch itself. Those are tech-savy guys and I'm inclined to believe they actually already own a Switch. If they don't own them already then I can see them skipping Switch and using only Steam Deck 

So, can Steam Deck play games Switch games better than Switch? Yeah

Will people use Steam Deck for this? Yeah

Is this a Steam Deck selling point? No

Will this impact Switch sales in any way? Hell no