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Sir David Attenborough (95 yrs old) tells World Leaders what they must do to avert the coming Climate Crisis at COP26, he is amazing 



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On average, you can't blame drought conditions on warming. Most of the US, for instance, has been consistently getting wetter.

Yeah, you can extrapolate from Clausius-Clapeyron and surmise that, unless it gets consistently wetter year-round, that rain events would become more intense. But that in itself won't cause lack of water for obvious reasons.

You might argue things are slightly different in the Southwestern US:

But even a sample of a hundred years might not be enough to extrapolate on long-term climate cycles in certain places, and that at the beginning of the last century, the Southwest might actually have been at its wettest in over a thousand years, so nowhere to go from there but toward drier conditions:

Same thing with tornadoes, by the way.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:

On average, you can't blame drought conditions on warming. Most of the US, for instance, has been consistently getting wetter.

Yeah, you can extrapolate from Clausius-Clapeyron and surmise that, unless it gets consistently wetter year-round, that rain events would become more intense. But that in itself won't cause lack of water for obvious reasons.

You might argue things are slightly different in the Southwestern US:

But even a sample of a hundred years might not be enough to extrapolate on long-term climate cycles in certain places, and that at the beginning of the last century, the Southwest might actually have been at its wettest in over a thousand years, so nowhere to go from there but toward drier conditions:

Same thing with tornadoes, by the way.

Keep in mind as global temperatures rise there will be far more moisture in the air, but also combined with higher temps, this has the perverse effect of areas having very different outcomes to each other due to geography and location, some will see massive increases in rainfall due to higher air moisture, and other areas will dry out dramatically with higher temperatures, all of which will have far more active weather patterns like huge storms/tornadoes due to rising energy levels in the whole system resulting in greater instability in a run-away weather system, the danger is once the tipping point has been reached human intervention will have negligible effect    

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Rab said:
haxxiy said:

Keep in mind as global temperatures rise there will be far more moisture in the air, but also combined with higher temps, this has the perverse effect of areas having very different outcomes to each other due to geography and location, some will see massive increases in rainfall due to higher air moisture, and other areas will dry out dramatically with higher temperatures, all of which will have far more active weather patterns like huge storms/tornadoes due to rising energy levels in the whole system resulting in greater instability in a run-away weather system, the danger is once the tipping point has been reached human intervention will have negligible effect    

I mean, it's hard to be sure. For instance, most models in the 2000s estimated stronger Hadley circulation with increasing temperatures but now it is theorized that both Hadley and Walker circulation would be weaker than present day due to decreased equator-to-pole temperature gradients. As for storms, we'll have to see. So far neither cyclones or tornadoes seem to be becoming more prevalent.

That is not to say warming is desired or morally fine, particularly at the present scale. While Earth has been much warmer throughout most of its history, climate changed in scales 10 - 1,000 times slower than current rates and animals and plants could migrate without cities and other human infrastructure in their way. Half of the world's population living at or very close to sea level doesn't help, either.

But to assume Earth's pre-industrial climate was somehow optimal for life or even human interests is a fairly ad hoc hypothesis.



 

 

 

 

 

Rab said:

Sir David Attenborough (95 yrs old) tells World Leaders what they must do to avert the coming Climate Crisis at COP26, he is amazing 

Great speech. My favorite grandfather! He hits the nail on the head, yes it has been much warmer in the far past, and yes the climate has been unstable before. However all what we have now is based on a long long period of stability that we're quickly effing up.



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haxxiy said:

But to assume Earth's pre-industrial climate was somehow optimal for life or even human interests is a fairly ad hoc hypothesis.

Keep in mind this is coming from David Attenborough... Who is almost a century old and seen the world go through multiple world wars and seen the changes in the planet in the scope of a nature historian.

I would take more credence in his information than cherry picked graphs.



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A look at the weather forecast in Australia and International News in 2050 



COP26: Fossil fuel industry has largest delegation at climate summit

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-59199484 ..BBC Science

It was found that 503 people with links to fossil fuel interests had been accredited for the climate summit

These delegates are said to lobby for oil and gas industries, and campaigners say they should be banned

"Their influence is one of the biggest reasons why 25 years of UN climate talks have not led to real cuts in global emissions."

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Rab said:

Looking to comedians for our leadership

This lady gets it, we're not reaching 1.5 celsius degrees but heading towards 3 degrees, as she says that paris agreement put us towards ~2.2 celsius but no country is achieving what they promised except maybe Maracko.

This is the problem with lefties, they live in a fantasy and won't base their policy on reality.



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