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Forums - Sony Discussion - Sony Q4 2020 earnings: PS5 at 7.8 million (3.3 for Q4), PS4 116 million (1 million for Q4)

drkohler said:
Random_Matt said:

Zero PS5 for UK until end of May. Because of that stuck ship, EU have had and continuing zero stock.

You can track Sony's Lading/Container Nos ?

No, but retailers have already said shipments got screwed because of the Evergreen mess. It was stuck in the canal for over a week, and then impounded for safety checks.

However, the positive thing is the April and May shipments will end up arriving at the same time, so a lot more PS5 consoles to sell. Well, as long as scalpers don't bag a ton.



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trunkswd said:
DonFerrari said:

When the shipment is about 200k difference, and the selling traking is about the same difference, with the average weekly sales making system on shelves close to  3 weeks amount whatever divergence from real numbers is likely irrelevant. So yes good work, the hard work is fine tunning that per territory as those date isn't really available to compare in many cases.

Fine tuning the sales in each country can be quite tricky at times.

One question is will PS5 remain a similar amount ahead of PS4 at end of the June quarter and be 400,000 to 600,000 ahead or will it ship a similar amount to the March quarter, which would put it ahead by like 1-1.2 million at the end of June. Either way, we are talking like 9.7 million to 10.5 million sold for PS5 at the end of June. 

From the news on the front page Sony is unlikely to increase the production drastically and their aim is to beat PS4 second year on market, so I would say they should be something like that 200-500k ahead at most for most quarters until March 2022 at least.



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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
trunkswd said:

Fine tuning the sales in each country can be quite tricky at times.

One question is will PS5 remain a similar amount ahead of PS4 at end of the June quarter and be 400,000 to 600,000 ahead or will it ship a similar amount to the March quarter, which would put it ahead by like 1-1.2 million at the end of June. Either way, we are talking like 9.7 million to 10.5 million sold for PS5 at the end of June. 

From the news on the front page Sony is unlikely to increase the production drastically and their aim is to beat PS4 second year on market, so I would say they should be something like that 200-500k ahead at most for most quarters until March 2022 at least.

Their plan is to beat the PS4's 2nd year, in terms of hardware sales.
So expect atleast 15m consoles shipped this year imo.



Another interesting tidbit is Sony plans to spend an additional $183 Million on development personnel and other in house costs. Remember, SIE has been expanding their internal teams since 2018, so this additional cost is on top of that.

Assuming a $100K salary for developers, that's hundreds if not thousands of additional employees, which to me sounds like an acquisition(s).



Is there any chart comparing PS3 and PS4 sales and overall profitability/revenue?

I think the differences would be insane. I still remember the terrible days Sony had in 2007/2008. Back then, it was everything doom and gloom.



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PS4 is reaching 120M and that's it.
Exactly as predicted back in 2014 xD



zumnupy10 said:

Is there any chart comparing PS3 and PS4 sales and overall profitability/revenue?

I think the differences would be insane. I still remember the terrible days Sony had in 2007/2008. Back then, it was everything doom and gloom.

Credit goes to ArmGunar of Resetera

I know you are asking about PS3/ PS4, but one tidbit from the information is that FY20 Profits alone are higher than the entire PS1 gen profit generated. And also higher than the entire profit from the PS2. 



twintail said:
zumnupy10 said:

Is there any chart comparing PS3 and PS4 sales and overall profitability/revenue?

I think the differences would be insane. I still remember the terrible days Sony had in 2007/2008. Back then, it was everything doom and gloom.

Credit goes to ArmGunar of Resetera

I know you are asking about PS3/ PS4, but one tidbit from the information is that FY20 Profits alone are higher than the entire PS1 gen profit generated. And also higher than the entire profit from the PS2. 

The first time the launch of a new home console did not lead to an operating loss.

Sony really had to keep the faith during the PS3 gen to get where they are today.



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Random_Matt said:
drkohler said:

You can track Sony's Lading/Container Nos ?

No, but retailers have already said shipments got screwed because of the Evergreen mess.

That is the problem of the ship pile-up behind Ever Given. A minor mess. I don't think it affected Sony to any more than minor hassle otherwise we would have heard from Sony. As soon as the first pictures of the ship showed up in the news, gaming forums started to show up with "Sony/PS5 is doomed" messages" (interestingly, no mention at all of "XBoxX is doomed" despite using the same transportation means. I also think Sony uses NYK not Evergreen?).

So, as a hobby train thought, I wondered what really is blocked on the ship's 18000 containers. Unfortunately only insiders have access to the ship's manifest. What is going to happen with that cargo is very interesting in itself. Probably blocked for months while the lawsuits are flying front, left, right and center. Imagine you have delicate electronics on that ship and your containers are on the top of the deck - 50% humidity (salt water), no wind and tropical sun burning down on your metal box = kiss that electronics goodbye?



DonFerrari said:
Signalstar said:

Wow. This is further proof that digital is on its way to total dominance. Add on Content is where the $ is, which some may feel sucks but clearly many are showing their approval with their wallets.

It is terrifying that MTX, DLC and the like is bigger than total sold SW, with it being about 7x the physical copies. Well even Subs (which is massive) is almost 3x the size of physical sales and well it adds almost as much as half the total sales of games itself. So if you were really considering only 1st party games PS+ makes more revenue (and likely profit) than the entirety of their Studios (will probably be the same for MS with GP very soon).

The crazy part is that as low as those game sales look at first glance they're selling more games than anyone has before. lol