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Should players be heard before journos?

We should be the priority 3 27.27%
 
Some journous are honest,... 4 36.36%
 
Journos speak for me 1 9.09%
 
This will cause eco chambers 3 27.27%
 
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Darwinianevolution said:

They are perfectly able to surf the web and social media to look for all the feedback they can possibly want.

But can they tell exactly whats a troll feedback or not?

I would argue no. Like the people claiming playing legacy games is super important cuz xbox can, I bet you ask directly to owners of a ps4/5 and they would not agree. But you go online and you think everyone agrees that its the upmost important feature. They have no way of knowing who is a troll or not. 



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Hiku said:

One inconvenience that comes to mind when it comes to consoles is that it's generally tedious to type out elaborate messages.
So if I want to write some constructive game feedback, I'd usually do it with my keyboard.

And I do when I care about a game and there's a feedback survey after a Beta test.

Recent example is Guilty Gear: Strive, where they delayed the game based on that feedback, and are now improving things and implementing things that a lot of people asked for.

I think you can often find ways to get feedback to the devs. It's just not streamlined with a quick access button, like OP suggested.
And I think the reason for that is, have you seen the user reviews on Metacritic that are on one extreme end of the other?

I think the more hoops you have to jump through, the more it weeds out the non-serious people who just want to make shitposts.
Those who are passionate about making constructive criticism are more likely to make an effort than the shitposters.

Dont these companies have official sites? How about just incorporate that site into the boc itself? That way it links all your activities while if you want give a score while you played it and later elaborate on the site if you want. Something tells me thats possible already to link the official site to the box. But can you do reviews and other kinds of feedback on those sites? Or can you just buy stuff? I never been on one of those. 

I'm glad you understand. While like you said this could be trouble for fully articled critical feedback without a keyboard. At the very least a score would be facilitated to thouse who are passionate. I think the score might be the most important part. A lot of people don't read the reviews and just go to the score. 



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eva01beserk said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

People do this is social media already 

Like, I'm not against that idea, I think another gaming community app would be ok. But I doubt this would give anyone better feedback than what we have already. I'm sure most of people who play games won't bother really writing reviews. The ones making reviews are the fanboys, the haters and people who likes to share ideas. While the third group is nice, I'm sure you can find tons of Youtubers making reviews right and left, people who aren't really paid to play games. You can also find people on forums and reddit

So what exaclty about your app would make such an impact in gaming community?

Again like I said, tie this to the consoles like we have on steam. It will act more like a filter cuz devs will have direct access to the community. Like this forum or redit, how can you prove that you played a game or even own a gaming device or make dupe accounts and span reviews and other shit? We cant really know. At the very least you have a psn or xboxid that canot be duped and attaches a game to your account. It wont be perfect but its at least better than what we have right now.

This was one of the things that I liked about Miiverse on WiiU.  Each game had it's own forum, and you could tell if someone posting about a game actually owned the game or not, because a TV icon with a checkmark in it would appear on their post if they did.  Game devs had access to Miiverse and could, and did, interact with the players of their games.  I remember Barbie from Zen Studios being active in the Zen pinball games forums for example.



Hiku said:
eva01beserk said:

Dont these companies have official sites? How about just incorporate that site into the boc itself? That way it links all your activities while if you want give a score while you played it and later elaborate on the site if you want. Something tells me thats possible already to link the official site to the box. But can you do reviews and other kinds of feedback on those sites? Or can you just buy stuff? I never been on one of those. 

I'm glad you understand. While like you said this could be trouble for fully articled critical feedback without a keyboard. At the very least a score would be facilitated to thouse who are passionate. I think the score might be the most important part. A lot of people don't read the reviews and just go to the score. 

From my understanding, they tend to gather feedback for a game during a specific time, where they publish a survey, either on their site, or via email. Once a certain date is reached, the survey will be closed, and they'll read all the feedback they got up until then.

Otherwise the sites tend to be for game PR, information and merchandise.

As for a score, it's possible to leave a rating (1-5 stars) on things you purchase on PSN.



I gave this free Nier costume DLC a perfect score, naturally.

I see. Dont know the time frame. But it does sound like you need to put some effort and that would filter some trolls. That kind of survey could be used on the app.

I dint even know you could rate things on the play station store. Although I buy my games physical and the ps+ games I never thought of going back to the page.



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Mandalore76 said:
eva01beserk said:

Again like I said, tie this to the consoles like we have on steam. It will act more like a filter cuz devs will have direct access to the community. Like this forum or redit, how can you prove that you played a game or even own a gaming device or make dupe accounts and span reviews and other shit? We cant really know. At the very least you have a psn or xboxid that canot be duped and attaches a game to your account. It wont be perfect but its at least better than what we have right now.

This was one of the things that I liked about Miiverse on WiiU.  Each game had it's own forum, and you could tell if someone posting about a game actually owned the game or not, because a TV icon with a checkmark in it would appear on their post if they did.  Game devs had access to Miiverse and could, and did, interact with the players of their games.  I remember Barbie from Zen Studios being active in the Zen pinball games forums for example.

That sounds amazing. Had to be the one Nintendo console I skiped.(and many others)

So Nintendo can make some miiverse 2.0 or something. Would be amazing. 



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eva01beserk said:
Mandalore76 said:

This was one of the things that I liked about Miiverse on WiiU.  Each game had it's own forum, and you could tell if someone posting about a game actually owned the game or not, because a TV icon with a checkmark in it would appear on their post if they did.  Game devs had access to Miiverse and could, and did, interact with the players of their games.  I remember Barbie from Zen Studios being active in the Zen pinball games forums for example.

That sounds amazing. Had to be the one Nintendo console I skiped.(and many others)

So Nintendo can make some miiverse 2.0 or something. Would be amazing. 

I enjoyed it very much and used to use it almost daily.  I do miss not ever having it on Switch and it having been disabled on WiiU and 3DS.  I don't know that Nintendo will ever bring it back though.  They stated that they wanted to avoid having "a walled garden" of social media access and preferred to add the Facebook and Twitter access that the Switch has.  A lot of great features were lost in the process though.



kirby007 said:

i agree with the last point, only 30k refunded cyberpunk out of millions
on top of that metacritic and opencritic are balls

That 30K doesn't included refunds through Steam, Sony, MS, stores. That figure is only from those directly contacting CDPR to get help getting a refund when denied through other point of sale venues.

But yep, most people are simply too lazy to get a refund, wait until it gets better or simply forget about it and happily pre-order the next hot thing.

Anyway deception pays, big time, at least in the short run.


As for the OP. Steam user reviews are pretty pointless, just another popularity voting war. The forums are often toxic, fanboys vs haters. Steam frequently removes reviews from scoring to combat review bombing (or just unfavorable reviews) while the outcome is meaningless anyway. Thumbs up or thumbs down translated into a percentage, tell you absolutely nothing.

Last edited by SvennoJ - on 23 April 2021

The X Box insider program lets you give feedback to Microsoft.



Chris Hu said:

The X Box insider program lets you give feedback to Microsoft.

Cant say that I know. Could you elaborate a little bit? 



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SvennoJ said:
kirby007 said:

i agree with the last point, only 30k refunded cyberpunk out of millions
on top of that metacritic and opencritic are balls

That 30K doesn't included refunds through Steam, Sony, MS, stores. That figure is only from those directly contacting CDPR to get help getting a refund when denied through other point of sale venues.

But yep, most people are simply too lazy to get a refund, wait until it gets better or simply forget about it and happily pre-order the next hot thing.

Anyway deception pays, big time, at least in the short run.


As for the OP. Steam user reviews are pretty pointless, just another popularity voting war. The forums are often toxic, fanboys vs haters. Steam frequently removes reviews from scoring to combat review bombing (or just unfavorable reviews) while the outcome is meaningless anyway. Thumbs up or thumbs down translated into a percentage, tell you absolutely nothing.

I know. You will never fully get rid of the toxicity. But I'm gona trust more a steam user review than a metacritic review. Cuz at the very least the steam user bought the game. Again it wont be perfect but its gota be better than whats available now. 



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