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curl-6 on 13 April 2021
HoangNhatAnh said:
curl-6 said:

It's not 2-3 times more powerful than it is though. It's weaker than the Wii.

Side by side video, New 3DS very obviously looks worse, and base 3DS couldn't even run it.

1.I said if 3ds/new 3ds is more stronger 2-3 times than they are now, their's graphic can blow the Wii out of water.

2.Again, don't use some cheaply, quickly ports to show that 3ds is better or worse.

Look:

3DS [2009 architecture, 6.4GFLOPs] (pica200 @200mhz is 4.8GFLOPs, 3DS runs the gpu at 268MHz, so 6.43GFLOPs)
PS2 [Sony 2000 architecture, 6GFLOPs]

3ds -> New 3ds:
ARM11 CPU: 2x MPCore/2x VFPv2 Co-Processor at 268MHz. Doubling to 4x MPCore/4x VFPv2 Co-Processor for new 3DS with 804MHz max clock.
ARM9 CPU: ARM946 at 134MHz.
GPU: DMP PICA at 268MHz (6.4 GFLOPS, 20.5 Million polygons per second at 268MHz, calcutated from 15.3 Million figure and 4.8 GFLOPS at 200MHz)
VRAM: 6MB, 10MB for new 3DS.
DSP: CEVA TeakLite at 134Mhz. ...
System memory: 128MB, 256MB for New 3DS.

So even 3ds is still stronger than ps2, let alone New 3ds, yet Dragon Quest VIII ps2 looks better than 3ds. One was built from ground up for ps2, one was just a quickly and chealy port, so using ports won't be enough to prove anything that related to graphic.

3DS isn't 2-3 times stronger than it is now, so this hypothetical is pointless.

And Xenoblade 3D isn't a cheaply made port, its a conversion by Monster Games, who are a capable studio who specialize in ports and who even co-developed Tropical Freeze, overseen by Nintendo themselves. No evidence it's a poorly done conversion, it's just limited by the hardware.

Your information is also incorrect, 3DS has a GPU from 2005/2006 and a CPU from a 2002-2005 series, not 2009 architecture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PICA200

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Leynos on 13 April 2021

I mean if Wii U is using a GPU from 2008 and a CPU from 2000 what in the world would make Nintendo of 2010 use a more modern chipset for 3DS from 2009 as one claims than their flagship console? lol.

Switch uses a chip that was 2 years old when it launched and that was the most modern thing they used relative to release since launching the Gamecube.



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Mr Puggsly on 13 April 2021

I spent more time with Vita. But I totally understand why people prefer 3DS, it had major Nintendo games and Monster Hunter.

Just to jog my memory a little, I looked at a list of what IGN considers the top 25 3DS games. And yeah, I'm comfortable saying the Vita appealed to my taste more.

I also like indie games though. So Vita having more power and better screen made it a great choice for portable indie games. But I enjoy both, I have a backlog on both.

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HoangNhatAnh on 14 April 2021
Leynos said:

".I said if 3ds/new 3ds is more stronger 2-3 times than they are now, their's graphic can blow the Wii out of water."

This makes no sense. I think I know what you're trying to say. No. 3DS is weaker than Wii. A mobile chip from 2005 is not stronger than a 2006 console.

First 2005, then 2002, and 2005 again, next time you can come with 1990 if you want. And i never said anything about power, only graphic.

curl-6 said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

1.I said if 3ds/new 3ds is more stronger 2-3 times than they are now, their's graphic can blow the Wii out of water.

2.Again, don't use some cheaply, quickly ports to show that 3ds is better or worse.

Look:

3DS [2009 architecture, 6.4GFLOPs] (pica200 @200mhz is 4.8GFLOPs, 3DS runs the gpu at 268MHz, so 6.43GFLOPs)
PS2 [Sony 2000 architecture, 6GFLOPs]

3ds -> New 3ds:
ARM11 CPU: 2x MPCore/2x VFPv2 Co-Processor at 268MHz. Doubling to 4x MPCore/4x VFPv2 Co-Processor for new 3DS with 804MHz max clock.
ARM9 CPU: ARM946 at 134MHz.
GPU: DMP PICA at 268MHz (6.4 GFLOPS, 20.5 Million polygons per second at 268MHz, calcutated from 15.3 Million figure and 4.8 GFLOPS at 200MHz)
VRAM: 6MB, 10MB for new 3DS.
DSP: CEVA TeakLite at 134Mhz. ...
System memory: 128MB, 256MB for New 3DS.

So even 3ds is still stronger than ps2, let alone New 3ds, yet Dragon Quest VIII ps2 looks better than 3ds. One was built from ground up for ps2, one was just a quickly and chealy port, so using ports won't be enough to prove anything that related to graphic.

3DS isn't 2-3 times stronger than it is now, so this hypothetical is pointless.

And Xenoblade 3D isn't a cheaply made port, its a conversion by Monster Games, who are a capable studio who specialize in ports and who even co-developed Tropical Freeze, overseen by Nintendo themselves. No evidence it's a poorly done conversion, it's just limited by the hardware.

Your information is also incorrect, 3DS has a GPU from 2005/2006 and a CPU from a 2002-2005 series, not 2009 architecture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PICA200

Xenoblade is much more bigger and complicated compared to Tropical Freeze. Nintendo let Monolith made Project X Zone 1&2 for 3ds, why not Xenoblade 3D too? The result could be much better.

Bold: Anyone can edit the information on wiki, unless you have a better source than mine, you didn't prove anything.

Leynos said:

I mean if Wii U is using a GPU from 2008 and a CPU from 2000 what in the world would make Nintendo of 2010 use a more modern chipset for 3DS from 2009 as one claims than their flagship console? lol.

Switch uses a chip that was 2 years old when it launched and that was the most modern thing they used relative to release since launching the Gamecube.

By your logic, let say they used the same chip from 2005, so you think a 2005 chip is the same as itself in 2009??? Like the same technology from 2005, but in 2009 it didn't get any better, ok. And anyone can edit the wiki, just like some fans still claim vita is 50gflops or even worse, it is on par with ps3 power. lol.

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curl-6 on 14 April 2021
HoangNhatAnh said:

curl-6 said:

3DS isn't 2-3 times stronger than it is now, so this hypothetical is pointless.

And Xenoblade 3D isn't a cheaply made port, its a conversion by Monster Games, who are a capable studio who specialize in ports and who even co-developed Tropical Freeze, overseen by Nintendo themselves. No evidence it's a poorly done conversion, it's just limited by the hardware.

Your information is also incorrect, 3DS has a GPU from 2005/2006 and a CPU from a 2002-2005 series, not 2009 architecture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PICA200

Xenoblade is much more bigger and complicated compared to Tropical Freeze. Nintendo let Monolith made Project X Zone 1&2 for 3ds, why not Xenoblade 3D too? The result could be much better.

Bold: Anyone can edit the information on wiki, unless you have a better source than mine, you didn't prove anything.

Xenoblade isn't a technically complicated game, and the studio has experience and proven competence.

The info on the Wikipedia articles is linked to offsite sources. Do you have any source at all for your claim it's 2009 architecture?

No offense man but you're just in denial at this point.

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HoangNhatAnh on 14 April 2021
curl-6 said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Xenoblade is much more bigger and complicated compared to Tropical Freeze. Nintendo let Monolith made Project X Zone 1&2 for 3ds, why not Xenoblade 3D too? The result could be much better.

Bold: Anyone can edit the information on wiki, unless you have a better source than mine, you didn't prove anything.

Xenoblade isn't a technically complicated game, and the studio has experience and proven competence.

The info on the Wikipedia articles is linked to offsite sources. Do you have any source at all for your claim it's 2009 architecture?

No offense man but you're just in denial at this point.

God of Wars vita run worse than ps2 ver, so vita was weaker than ps2?

Bold: https://www.resetera.com/threads/how-powerful-is-the-vita-really.58893/page-2

Here is 3ds vs ps2 hardware:

https://versus.com/en/nintendo-3ds-vs-sony-playstation-2



Leynos on 14 April 2021

Dude, you can hardly write a sentence let alone make an argument about technical details about hardware. You clearly have no clue what you are even talking about. At this point, you just want to be right even tho you are not and just don't get it. So you either really fail simple understanding or you are purposefully digging a hole until you try and force someone to agree with you. This is not the hill to die on.



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Platina on 14 April 2021

Only owning one of the 2, I have to pick the one I own and am still playing so..

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Pemalite on 14 April 2021
Leynos said:

".I said if 3ds/new 3ds is more stronger 2-3 times than they are now, their's graphic can blow the Wii out of water."

This makes no sense. I think I know what you're trying to say. No. 3DS is weaker than Wii. A mobile chip from 2005 is not stronger than a 2006 console.

To be fair the Wii was built on 2001 hardware.
But you are absolutely right that the Wii holds the technical edge, but not as much as people might think.

The 3DS actually had better shader capabilities than the Wii, but the Wii could push more Polygons.

The New 3DS XL however, if it was 2-3x more powerful, it would definitely be technically better than the Wii in every regard I imagine.







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curl-6 on 14 April 2021
HoangNhatAnh said:
curl-6 said:

Xenoblade isn't a technically complicated game, and the studio has experience and proven competence.

The info on the Wikipedia articles is linked to offsite sources. Do you have any source at all for your claim it's 2009 architecture?

No offense man but you're just in denial at this point.

God of Wars vita run worse than ps2 ver, so vita was weaker than ps2?

Bold: https://www.resetera.com/threads/how-powerful-is-the-vita-really.58893/page-2

Here is 3ds vs ps2 hardware:

https://versus.com/en/nintendo-3ds-vs-sony-playstation-2

Vita is actually not as capable as PS2 in some specific areas. But there are examples of PS2 ports that are superior on Vita. Every Wii port to 3DS though is worse, because the hardware is simply less capable.

And your source doesn't demonstrate your point as (a) nobody said 3DS was weaker than the PS2 and (b) the comparison you linked only compared memory and CPU clocks which proves nothing; PS4 is lower clocked than the Xbox 360 for example but it's much more powerful hardware overall.

You keep going off on tangents that aren't even what's under discussion and digging yourself deeper, you need to just let this one go man.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 14 April 2021