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Didn't TurboExpress launch before Nomad? Like 5 years earlier? Seems like TurboExpress deserves credit for innovating, not Sega.  Sega Nomad was nothing more than a direct copy of the TurboExpress.  

Regarding how novel the Switch is (or isn't), who cares?  It has great software and is selling lights out.  Nothing is going to change that.

Last edited by Chrkeller - on 19 March 2021

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Chrkeller said:

Didn't TurboExpress launch before Nomad? Like 5 years earlier? Seems like TurboExpress deserves credit for innovating, not Sega.  Sega Nomad was nothing more than a direct copy of the TurboExpress.  

Regarding how novel the Switch is (or isn't), who cares?  It has great software and is selling lights out.  Nothing is going to change that.

Express did not connect to the TV. It was a separate product. Also did not have 2 player.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Leynos said:
Chrkeller said:

Didn't TurboExpress launch before Nomad? Like 5 years earlier? Seems like TurboExpress deserves credit for innovating, not Sega.  Sega Nomad was nothing more than a direct copy of the TurboExpress.  

Regarding how novel the Switch is (or isn't), who cares?  It has great software and is selling lights out.  Nothing is going to change that.

Express did not connect to the TV. It was a separate product. Also did not have 2 player.

TurboLink[edit]

The TurboLink cable.

The TurboLink allows two-player play. Falcon, a flight simulator, includes "head-to-head" dogfight and cooperative modes that can only be accessed via TurboLink.[11] This technology was also used for Bomberman '93 Com-Link multiplayer. It was released after the TurboExpress launch. However, very few TG-16 games offer co-op play modes especially designed with the TurboExpress in mind.

At best the Nomad was a tweaked version of the TurboExpress.  The Nomad isn't as original as people are making it out to be.  

Last edited by Chrkeller - on 19 March 2021

Where is that image from as it looks like a mod? A lot of people mod those things. The Turbo link is a headphone jack on each side.

Last edited by Leynos - on 19 March 2021

Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Could be a mod, been too long so I don't remember exact capabilites.

Either way it supported 2 player and used TG16 games.

The main point is the Nomad wasn't original, it borrowed heavy from Express.



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Pemalite said:

It's not both.

The Switch is a mobile device first and foremost with the functionality to output it's display.

It is built 100% around mobile hardware, battery, screen, processor, ram, storage... Everything is mobile.
It just has a dock that can pass video onto a seperate display...

* My tablet has a dock that allows me to output to a TV via HDMI to a display. STILL a mobile device and not a hybrid.
* My phone has a dock that allows me to output to a TV via HDMI to a display. STILL a mobile device and not a hybrid.

I even have an Android powered gaming tablet with built in physical controls that also outputs to a display via HDMI... Still a mobile device 100%.

Just because it has a dock does not mean it's not primarily a mobile device.

The fact there are variants which use the *exact* same hardware, the absolute exact, right down to the CPU and GPU type, that are mobile-only, just further reinforces the fact that the Switch is a mobile device, not a fixed home console.

The Switch is an absolutely fantastic mobile device, it's actually a really really terrible fixed home-console from a hardware point... But being able to dock is a value added incentive that sadly not everyone gets thanks to the Switch Lite... Well. Existing.

Do your phone and tablet increase clock speeds when docked in order to provide increased resolutions? Anyway, the phone and tablet argument are ridiculous because they aren't even dedicated gaming consoles. 

The Switch's entire design was based upon it being both. The hardware is mobile hardware because that is the only way to make it both (The PS4 and Xbox One APU's draw too much power to become as portable as the Switch). You're suggesting mobile hardware = a portable game console, but this couldn't be further from the truth (especially when the PS4 and Xbox One consoles are based on laptop chipsets, yet they clearly are not portable consoles). 

The variant point is ridiculous. Is the Vita a home console because of the PS Vita TV? Does the GBA player make the GBA a home console? Heck, if they made a dock only Switch unit would your point become moot? I mean, your last sentence makes it pretty clear that the dockable incentive is driving purchases, meaning people are using the console for more than just portable gaming (there was some statistic out there that showed docked and portable play was almost equal amongst players). 

This isn't even taking into account that Nintendo themselves stated that they consider the Switch to be a home console first and foremost (which you can see from their software lineup). All in all, I just disagree with you. 



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pemalite said:

It's not both.

The Switch is a mobile device first and foremost with the functionality to output it's display.

It is built 100% around mobile hardware, battery, screen, processor, ram, storage... Everything is mobile.
It just has a dock that can pass video onto a seperate display...

* My tablet has a dock that allows me to output to a TV via HDMI to a display. STILL a mobile device and not a hybrid.
* My phone has a dock that allows me to output to a TV via HDMI to a display. STILL a mobile device and not a hybrid.

I even have an Android powered gaming tablet with built in physical controls that also outputs to a display via HDMI... Still a mobile device 100%.

Just because it has a dock does not mean it's not primarily a mobile device.

The fact there are variants which use the *exact* same hardware, the absolute exact, right down to the CPU and GPU type, that are mobile-only, just further reinforces the fact that the Switch is a mobile device, not a fixed home console.

The Switch is an absolutely fantastic mobile device, it's actually a really really terrible fixed home-console from a hardware point... But being able to dock is a value added incentive that sadly not everyone gets thanks to the Switch Lite... Well. Existing.

I would put that under false equivalency.

After all, even though you can connect them to the TV, they don't change their behavior (as in, clocking higher or lower depending on if they are docked or not) and more importantly, you don't change the input device. The Switch changes how you play and use it depending on being docked or not, but that's not true for your Tablet or phone.

No, you're getting something wrong.

The question whether switch is a hybrid or not is a hardware question and the clock speeds are entirely software based.

Nintendo could very well remove all limitations tomorrow and the system would still work as intended.

You could argue about the clocks if the switch would actually overclock to a point the internal fan is not enough anymore

and additional cooling - provided by the dock - would be necessary to prevent it from breaking down, but thats not the case.

There is a clear cut difference between portables, hybrids and home consoles and switch is not, and will never be a hybrid if Nintendo continues

the existing design.

The change in cspeed is no different than configuring your laptop to have max brightness when connected to a power source and

lower brightness when running on battery.

Just like how a laptop/smartphone/etc. dont become a tower pc just because you pluged a power adapter, ethernet or hdmi cable in,

the switch doesnt become a home console.

Also portables are allowed to use external displaying units without changing their definition, just like how stationary systems wont change theirs if they use

integrated screens. (Arcademachines, non-gaming machines like switches, old PCs, etc.)

Last edited by GamingRabbit - on 19 March 2021

Nintendo Switch:

... announced as a Home Console

... advertised as a Hybrid

... delivered as a Portable

Doctor_MG said:
Pemalite said:

It's not both.

The Switch is a mobile device first and foremost with the functionality to output it's display.

Do your phone and tablet increase clock speeds when docked in order to provide increased resolutions? Anyway, the phone and tablet argument are ridiculous because they aren't even dedicated gaming consoles. 

The Switch's entire design was based upon it being both. The hardware is mobile hardware because that is the only way to make it both (The PS4 and Xbox One APU's draw too much power to become as portable as the Switch). You're suggesting mobile hardware = a portable game console, but this couldn't be further from the truth (especially when the PS4 and Xbox One consoles are based on laptop chipsets, yet they clearly are not portable consoles). 

The variant point is ridiculous. Is the Vita a home console because of the PS Vita TV? Does the GBA player make the GBA a home console? Heck, if they made a dock only Switch unit would your point become moot? I mean, your last sentence makes it pretty clear that the dockable incentive is driving purchases, meaning people are using the console for more than just portable gaming (there was some statistic out there that showed docked and portable play was almost equal amongst players). 

This isn't even taking into account that Nintendo themselves stated that they consider the Switch to be a home console first and foremost (which you can see from their software lineup). All in all, I just disagree with you. 

He's not wrong though. Switch is primerally a portable device that has ability to be docked. And repeating what Pemalite said.. all the technology in the console derives from mobile; from the SOC to the other components. The system is designed to be portable but has the advantage of displaying on an external display as it comes complete package; dock, cables and other accessories (Joycons).

I mean what do you call a laptop, a hybrid desktop? Nope its a portable PC.



The Switch is a hybrid, it is specifically designed to work at home or on the road. I play mine 99% of the time at home. It works just like a home console in that regard. But for those who play on the road, it works just like a portable. The system is a hybrid, plain and simple. Especially when it works as both straight out of the box with no extra accessories.



Doctor_MG said:

The Switch's entire design was based upon it being both. The hardware is mobile hardware because that is the only way to make it both (The PS4 and Xbox One APU's draw too much power to become as portable as the Switch). You're suggesting mobile hardware = a portable game console, but this couldn't be further from the truth (especially when the PS4 and Xbox One consoles are based on laptop chipsets, yet they clearly are not portable consoles). 

home consoles and pcs can use anything. That's makes them so versitile. You can put a single mobile chip in it or 3 dektop GPUs+CPUs,

the way you use them would not change. Try adding a dozent nvidia gtx 3090 to the switch.

Home consoles can use mobile or stationary hardware, portables must use mobil hardware.

That's what differenciates them hardware wise.

Doctor_MG said:

The variant point is ridiculous. Is the Vita a home console because of the PS Vita TV? Does the GBA player make the GBA a home console? Heck, if they made a dock only Switch unit would your point become moot? I mean, your last sentence makes it pretty clear that the dockable incentive is driving purchases, meaning people are using the console for more than just portable gaming (there was some statistic out there that showed docked and portable play was almost equal amongst players).

Vita TV is indeed a home consoles, the gba player does not make the gba a home console and a dock only switch would be a home console again.

What drives the incentive to purchase the switch plays no part in its definition and it is bad arguing on your part.

The same goes for what people are using it for. The only thing that matters is what it is intended to be used for and that's to be a portable that can

also be used like a home consoles. But being used like a home console and being one are not the same.

For example: you can use a car like an iron but it isnt one.

In general goes

portables are by definition allowed to be used like a stationairy system, but the cannot be one, because they will always be limited by the condition that

they have to be portable no matter what.

Doctor_MG said:

This isn't even taking into account that Nintendo themselves stated that they consider the Switch to be a home console first and foremost (which you can see from their software lineup). All in all, I just disagree with you. 

Marketing, just marketing and you totally fell for it.

Chrkeller said:

The Switch is a hybrid, it is specifically designed to work at home or on the road. I play mine 99% of the time at home. It works just like a home console in that regard. But for those who play on the road, it works just like a portable. The system is a hybrid, plain and simple. Especially when it works as both straight out of the box with no extra accessories.

The key word is "like".

Working "like" a home console =/= being a home console

Also correlation =/= causality

Think the other way around for once.

If being able to be used like a home console equals being one, then a cubic meter big home console would be a portable machine, because you can theoretically

put it on a truck you drive.

 

Last edited by GamingRabbit - on 19 March 2021

Nintendo Switch:

... announced as a Home Console

... advertised as a Hybrid

... delivered as a Portable