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Hynad said:
Chrkeller said:

Value.  Something like BotW has a trade in value of $30, while something new like TLoU2 has a trade in of $15.  At least last time I looked, may have changed. 

I'm not complaining, I get 99% of my ps4 games at $30 with only having to wait a few months.  I just don't personally buy games at $60 (or $70) that will be $30 3 months later.

I barely buy games on the Switch because of the first party titles never going on sales. Year one games from Nintendo still selling at full price 3 years after their releases is ludicrous. That’s not mentioning the pricing of their remasters, despite minimal work made on them. Sony is often being called arrogant, yet Nintendo has been overpricing all of their stuff (hardware and software) for a long time for reasons many of their fans keep defending.

Nintendo has been arrogant for a long time, and I am picking and choosing the games I pay full price on day one because of it, because arrogant Nintendo isn’t going to lower their pricing until the gen is almost over. That’s of course if they don’t remove the games I’ve been holding back for from the console’s e-shop to put it back in the next system’s store at full price... But... they get a free pass for their shit for some reason.

Value is driven by the market (e.g. consumers).  Currently Nintendo is dominating the charts with software, hence they don't drop their prices.  Not sure what you mean about 'free pass.'  The reality is people either pay full price for Nintendo games or they go without.  There isn't a third option.



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Chrkeller said:
Hynad said:

I barely buy games on the Switch because of the first party titles never going on sales. Year one games from Nintendo still selling at full price 3 years after their releases is ludicrous. That’s not mentioning the pricing of their remasters, despite minimal work made on them. Sony is often being called arrogant, yet Nintendo has been overpricing all of their stuff (hardware and software) for a long time for reasons many of their fans keep defending.

Nintendo has been arrogant for a long time, and I am picking and choosing the games I pay full price on day one because of it, because arrogant Nintendo isn’t going to lower their pricing until the gen is almost over. That’s of course if they don’t remove the games I’ve been holding back for from the console’s e-shop to put it back in the next system’s store at full price... But... they get a free pass for their shit for some reason.

Value is driven by the market (e.g. consumers).  Currently Nintendo is dominating the charts with software, hence they don't drop their prices.  Not sure what you mean about 'free pass.'  The reality is people either pay full price for Nintendo games or they go without.  There isn't a third option.

Exhibit A.



nintendo's games dont drop in value because good games dont lose value



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Hynad said:
Chrkeller said:

Value is driven by the market (e.g. consumers).  Currently Nintendo is dominating the charts with software, hence they don't drop their prices.  Not sure what you mean about 'free pass.'  The reality is people either pay full price for Nintendo games or they go without.  There isn't a third option.

Exhibit A.

Exhibit B, a ps5 is $800-$1000 via Ebay.  Driven by high demand and low supply.  Market dictates price, always has. 

Look I want to derail this thread, given my point was the ps4 has amazing games for super cheap, but fact is MK8 Deluxe has sold obscene amounts at full price....  so it stays full price.  Demand drives pricing.  On the flip side at one point in time Nintendo was giving away something like 3 games with the Wii U...  because the market dictated the Wii U (and associated software) had little value.   



They should add it to PS Now too. I would consider subscribing to it just to play it. Hopefully someday they take PS Now to the Game Pass level.



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Chrkeller said:
Hynad said:

Exhibit A.

Exhibit B, a ps5 is $800-$1000 via Ebay.  Driven by high demand and low supply.  Market dictates price, always has. 

Look I want to derail this thread, given my point was the ps4 has amazing games for super cheap, but fact is MK8 Deluxe has sold obscene amounts at full price....  so it stays full price.  Demand drives pricing.  On the flip side at one point in time Nintendo was giving away something like 3 games with the Wii U...  because the market dictated the Wii U (and associated software) had little value.   

All you had to say is that Nintendo prices games the way they do, because people buy them at that price.  Most people buying these games are not posting on forums and what not, so it clearly is only a vocal minority that that thinks their games are overpriced.  As you said, market determines value and year 1 Nintendo games at full price seem to be outselling PS games with their dropped prices (though both do have great sales numbers).

Likewise it is only a vocal minority that blindly forgive Nintendo for their mistakes.  It is the same on both sides, and in no way does it reflect the vast majority of people buying the games (which is what determines market value).  It is also important to note that value in of itself is a subjective matter.  What might be worth 60 dollars to one person might be worth 40 to another.  Everyone is entitled to their personal value to decide how they spend their money, even if the market value does not line up.

OT

Sony has been killing it with PS Plus lately in terms of value.  Control Ultimate and FFVIIR, though both games I already own, were pretty solid offers.  I am curious to see what they have in store next.

Last edited by Shiken - on 26 February 2021

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Chrkeller said:

Crazy that a newer game is already 'free.' Did it not sell as expected? It was on sale a few months back. Crazy how quickly ps4 games drop in price. I rarely pay full price, given they don't hold their value.

If you had followed the news you would see it done great on total sales.



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Hynad said:
Chrkeller said:

Value.  Something like BotW has a trade in value of $30, while something new like TLoU2 has a trade in of $15.  At least last time I looked, may have changed. 

I'm not complaining, I get 99% of my ps4 games at $30 with only having to wait a few months.  I just don't personally buy games at $60 (or $70) that will be $30 3 months later.

I barely buy games on the Switch because of the first party titles never going on sales. Year one games from Nintendo still selling at full price 3 years after their releases is ludicrous. That’s not mentioning the pricing of their remasters, despite minimal work made on them. Sony is often being called arrogant, yet Nintendo has been overpricing all of their stuff (hardware and software) for a long time for reasons many of their fans keep defending.

Nintendo has been arrogant for a long time, and I am picking and choosing the games I pay full price on day one because of it, because arrogant Nintendo isn’t going to lower their pricing until the gen is almost over. That’s of course if they don’t remove the games I’ve been holding back for from the console’s e-shop to put it back in the next system’s store at full price... But... they get a free pass for their shit for some reason.

I base my notion of value FOR GAMES on how much I value that game and experience not how much it is charged a year later or used. So since most games aren't worthy 60 for me (nintendo included) I rarely pay full price, just a handful of games per gen get my day one purchase. One of the reasons why although I have a Switch I have only about 4 games, because they don't go down in price to meet the value I see in them.

And just as expected vgc specialists are still confusing price and value.

Last edited by DonFerrari - on 26 February 2021

duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Chrkeller said:

Crazy that a newer game is already 'free.' Did it not sell as expected? It was on sale a few months back. Crazy how quickly ps4 games drop in price. I rarely pay full price, given they don't hold their value.

If you had followed the news you would see it done great on total sales.

He may be referring to the sharp drop in sales, and how it might not be what SE was expecting.  It was reported that the game sold 3.5 million in three days, while only breaking 5 million in Aug (the last reported sales figure four months later).

However this does not account for the holiday, which I could imagine a boost would occur and 5 million is nothing to scoff at to begin with.  It may not have done as well as other games released this year with a similar budget, but I would definitely say it sold pretty well overall.



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Shiken said:
DonFerrari said:

If you had followed the news you would see it done great on total sales.

He may be referring to the sharp drop in sales, and how it might not be what SE was expecting.  It was reported that the game sold 3.5 million in three days, while only breaking 5 million in Aug (the last reported sales figure four months later).

However this does not account for the holiday, which I could imagine a boost would occur and 5 million is nothing to scoff at to begin with.  It may not have done as well as other games released this year with a similar budget, but I would definitely say it sold pretty well overall.

Them read his post, he is asking if it did not sell well enough and said it got a deal few months after release.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."