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Bofferbrauer2 said:

My god Robinhood, what are you doing???

So the hedge funds want to cover their losses by shorting AMD, so they can get a double whammy: money from both the increase between the original buy and the short, and from the shorting itself.

So, what does Robinhood do to protect their big money? Limit your buys of AMD shares to exactly 1 per day. One. Share. Per. Day. OF AMD. A stock that has been Ryzen since even before Zen got released in 2017, so practically 5 years straight. And which has a HUGE fanbase on the internet.

That will go over well...

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-robinhood-gamestop-gme-shorts-wallstreetbets

Robinhood is not independent and is mostly payed by the hedge funds Citadel. 65,5% of the transactions on RH are made by Citadel.

They have just shut down their "own tool" last week because they could easily ask for it.



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sundin13 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

My god Robinhood, what are you doing???

So the hedge funds want to cover their losses by shorting AMD, so they can get a double whammy: money from both the increase between the original buy and the short, and from the shorting itself.

So, what does Robinhood do to protect their big money? Limit your buys of AMD shares to exactly 1 per day. One. Share. Per. Day. OF AMD. A stock that has been Ryzen since even before Zen got released in 2017, so practically 5 years straight. And which has a HUGE fanbase on the internet.

That will go over well...

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-robinhood-gamestop-gme-shorts-wallstreetbets

RobinHood's explanation is essentially that they saw such a large spike in trading that they could no longer had the capital to be able to put up the collateral required by the DTCC. While I do agree that RobinHood should be investigated for potential market manipulation, there are legitimate reasons to make these changes. When they obtained more capital, they were able to re-open trading, however it was limited for high volume stocks as, again, they only have so much capital. They are protecting themselves, not the hedge funds. 

https://www.barrons.com/articles/why-did-robinhood-stop-gamestop-trading-51611967696

See the post above



Amnesia said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

My god Robinhood, what are you doing???

So the hedge funds want to cover their losses by shorting AMD, so they can get a double whammy: money from both the increase between the original buy and the short, and from the shorting itself.

So, what does Robinhood do to protect their big money? Limit your buys of AMD shares to exactly 1 per day. One. Share. Per. Day. OF AMD. A stock that has been Ryzen since even before Zen got released in 2017, so practically 5 years straight. And which has a HUGE fanbase on the internet.

That will go over well...

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-robinhood-gamestop-gme-shorts-wallstreetbets

Robinhood is not independent and is mostly payed by the hedge funds Citadel. 65,5% of the transactions on RH are made by Citadel.

They have just shut down their "own tool" last week because they could easily ask for it.

Again, while it is possible that some degree of market manipulation occurred, the simple overview of what happened does not prove that hypothesis. Neither does the involvement of some hedge's in the business. It is something worth investigating, but assumptions regarding illegal activity at this point are just that: Assumptions.



sundin13 said:
numberwang said:

Warren "Poci" doubles down on redditors being "manipulators", gets asked multiple times about reddit and social media specifically and claims that these individuals could be hedge funds themselves (2:20 lol what a twist) and wants them investigated by the SEC for manipulation.

It is very easy, ban "short selling" techniques because it encourages the targeted and intentional destruction of companies through AstroTurf campaigns and other means to benefit from their decline.

https://streamable.com/hu2gsf

I love when I respond to a point that someone says and they come back the next day making the same exact point, responding to nothing. I'll just add briefly about the comment at 2:20, you are misrepresenting what she said. She is not saying that the people on Reddit are hedge funds (although there is likely some degree of astroturf involved here as well), she is saying that Wall St is also participating in buying because...I mean, of course they are.

These moves were made on apps like Robin Hood. How does Robin Hood make money? A good chunk of their money comes from something called Payment for Order Flow. What that means is that they take all of the orders that people make on an app and selling them. That means the buyer can see what is going to happen and make decisions on how to buy/sell on the market in response to that data, before the actual orders are fulfilled. If they see an abnormally high volume of buys in GME, obviously they would jump on that train.

As for your proposed solution, I have seen little evidence to actually back up the assertion that "short selling" is unjustly damaging. Lots of people like to say "shorting bad" but I've yet to see someone provide actual evidence. In my opinion, the changes that should actually be made, are first of all banning Payment for Order Flow. It tilts the market by giving Wall St advance knowledge of market moves, which shouldn't be allowed. Second, we need to do exactly what Warren is suggesting and give the SEC more power to investigate market manipulation and more clearly defining what market manipulation is.

At the very least, shorting more than 100% of available stocks should be illegal.



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Kimmel claims the redditors are maybe Russian disruptors.

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sundin13 said:
numberwang said:

Warren "Poci" doubles down on redditors being "manipulators", gets asked multiple times about reddit and social media specifically and claims that these individuals could be hedge funds themselves (2:20 lol what a twist) and wants them investigated by the SEC for manipulation.

It is very easy, ban "short selling" techniques because it encourages the targeted and intentional destruction of companies through AstroTurf campaigns and other means to benefit from their decline.

https://streamable.com/hu2gsf

I love when I respond to a point that someone says and they come back the next day making the same exact point, responding to nothing. I'll just add briefly about the comment at 2:20, you are misrepresenting what she said. She is not saying that the people on Reddit are hedge funds (although there is likely some degree of astroturf involved here as well), she is saying that Wall St is also participating in buying because...I mean, of course they are.

We agree that Warren with no evidence claimed these redditors are hedge funds and should be investigated by the SEC. She is using populist language to mask her defense of her masters at Wall Street.

Some more info on that topic.

Wall Street spend 5:1 ration on Biden vs. Trump.

Wall Street donors line up behind Biden in massive third-quarter fundraising haul

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/wall-street-donors-line-up-behind-biden-in-massive-third-quarter-fundraising-haul.html

Biden's Treasury Sec. Janet Yellen received more than $800,000 in speaking fees from hedge fund Citadel in the last year alone. Citadel is invested heavily in Melvin Capital (the hedge fund that did the short selling). More than 35% of the Robinhood's revenues flow came from Citadel. It's a big club.

Janet Yellen Received $810K In Speaking Fees From Hedge Fund Embroiled In GameStop Saga

https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/28/janet-yellen-gamestop-citadel/

https://www.ibtimes.sg/citadel-owns-robinhood-theory-claims-capital-firm-halted-trading-platform-it-owns-hedge-fund-55226

Last edited by numberwang - on 02 February 2021

rapsuperstar31 said:

Why is the goal to make some hedge funds go bankrupt?  I can understand principles saying that hedge funds shouldn't be doing some of their practices, and this GME movement is going to change the stock market for sure.  But why is it that internet loves to call one group evil, and wants to destroy it by being evil.  If you want to trade a stock and make a profit, make a profit.  This isn't going to end well for Gamestop and in the end and I wouldn't be surprised if it pushes it quicker down the path to closing for good when everyone sells.

Short sellers use their media-financial-complex powers to destroy businesses to profit from their decline. this isn't just passive investing.

Example is Bill Ackman, hedge fund manager of Pershing Square Capital Management who actively tried to tank the American economy "hell is coming" "we need to shut it down" because he wanted and did buy stocks later for a lower price. I believe Tucker is the only main-street journalist who is willing to name the hudge fund manager. Nothing but parasitical behavior.

https://youtu.be/S0HvhZIyfag?t=20

Bill Ackman warned ‘hell is coming’ because of virus: He then pocketed $2B in bets against markets

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/bill-ackman-exits-market-hedges-uses-2-billion-he-made-to-buy-more-stocks-including-hilton.html

Last edited by numberwang - on 02 February 2021

In US, no matter what happens. It is almost always Russians. What an amazing logic.

Edit: In the future, when and if Russians do something for real. No one is going to believe. 

Last edited by green_sky - on 02 February 2021

numberwang said:
sundin13 said:

I love when I respond to a point that someone says and they come back the next day making the same exact point, responding to nothing. I'll just add briefly about the comment at 2:20, you are misrepresenting what she said. She is not saying that the people on Reddit are hedge funds (although there is likely some degree of astroturf involved here as well), she is saying that Wall St is also participating in buying because...I mean, of course they are.

We agree that Warren with no evidence claimed these redditors are hedge funds and should be investigated by the SEC. She is using populist language to mask her defense of her masters at Wall Street.

Yeah there is no defense of Wall Street like a resounding criticism of Wall Street. You are seeing what you want to see, even though it makes absolutely no sense and in no way aligns with reality. 



sundin13 said:
numberwang said:

We agree that Warren with no evidence claimed these redditors are hedge funds and should be investigated by the SEC. She is using populist language to mask her defense of her masters at Wall Street.

Yeah there is no defense of Wall Street like a resounding criticism of Wall Street. You are seeing what you want to see, even though it makes absolutely no sense and in no way aligns with reality. 

You're only getting defensive because he is attacking your sacred cow.

It's obvious that Warren is on the side of Wall Street. Hell, most politicians are. You don't become a multi-millionaire off of a $100K salary after all. Hopefully, this will wake people up to who the real people who are looking out for the little guy. It sure as hell aren't the elite Dems or Reps flying in their private jets.