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TallSilhouette said:

Easy to sneer at, but then it's also an inevitable step after cartoon and virtual bands and idols. I don't really give a fuck about any typical 'influencer' real or manufactured beyond some eye candy, but damn if I don't love me some Gorillaz...

But the thing with Gorillaz is that it was more an artistic concept that anything, the whole "virtual or animated band" gave it some uniqueness, and i think that a lot of people like me liked first and foremost their music , the thing with the influencers virtual or real, it's that they are generally nothing more than fad products trying impose new trends by doing absolutely the most mundane or irrelevant things just to cash in or feel "famous", "relevant" or "trendy".

Gorillaz is one example of using the virtual/not-real character to exploit in good ways the artistic creations, and probably if someone says that they like the music of Gorillaz, Hatsune Miku, The Squid Sisters or some other virtual made up band that's alright we care about the music not about the made up facts of their "lives", the thing its that the Girl in the video is complaining about the new and shining fad coming to take away their own fad and kick them out of their confort zone.

It's terrible on all accounts, it was terrible when everyone wanted to know everything about the "life of the celebrities" of TV on gossip media, then it was terrible when the youtubers and influencers became the center of attention of said gossip media, and now they are even kickin it up a notch by fabricating "Virtual influencers" celebrated by their fake as fakest "life" and "work",  i can't help but facepalm everytime the news that come out in the anime website i frequent has headers like: "celebrating the birthday of X character from Z anime", or " the favorite food of certain anime/manga character is ...", "Lots of fans from X anime celebrate that they have the same bloodtipe as their favorite character", i can only wonder myself why people have the need to idolize and invest their life in worshiping "the lives and work" of celebrities and now of non existing people.



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I think if you're intimidated or threatened by 3D models, graphics, or drawings - it's probably time for some self-evaluation. And this goes for guys AND girls :P



 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident - all men and women created by the, go-you know.. you know the thing!" - Joe Biden

To be fair,women are seen so much more objectively than males on broadcast media like twitch.
When you are pretty and you do not want losers in the chat to constantly make negative remarks on that or when you are insecure on how you look then this virtual influencer thing is great for you.



I'm already too deep into Hololive and they don't even look real. This is just another thing that the broad mainstream society looks at on the surface and then immediately rejects it because they don't understand it and don't want to understand it.

They say "fake" when in reality the only thing that is fake is the surface. Behind that there are real people. In the case of Hololive there are actually extremely talented people behind the avatars and they produce quality content. It's really no different from any other content creator, considering they also only use a fake surface.

This obsession with things being "real" and "real" always being better than fake is absolutely ridiculous. Everyone enjoys fake things. Movies, TV shows, games, amusement parks, food, porn, it's all fake and it is fun BECAUSE it is fake and not real. Anyone claiming otherwise is a sheltered twat.



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curl-6 said:
Mummelmann said:

I don't see following virtual girls being any worse than worshiping and throwing money at "real" girls whose job consists of being attractive and sitting in front of a camera, showing their cleavage and being mediocre at playing video games.

To be fair, I don't think this applies any less to male influencers, except instead of showing cleavage they just act like a 12 year old on camera while playing garbage overrated games.

Absolutely so, I can't stand that style of "influencer" or streamer at all. The main difference in this instance though is that female streamers play a lot more on sexuality, and the protests against virtual girls seem to revolve mainly around legitimizing "real" female streamers. In other words; people are upset or feel threatened that made up, rendered people might make it more difficult to make money off of your face and body online. To me, that just tastes kind of foul, being childish and loud is hard to compare to playing almost solely on your looks and sexuality. What the two groups have in common though is that they help perpetuate stereotypes about a hobby already fraught with stigma; that girls don't really care about gaming and just want attention and that boys who play games are immature and perhaps a bit of a dick. 



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Mummelmann said:
curl-6 said:

To be fair, I don't think this applies any less to male influencers, except instead of showing cleavage they just act like a 12 year old on camera while playing garbage overrated games.

Absolutely so, I can't stand that style of "influencer" or streamer at all. The main difference in this instance though is that female streamers play a lot more on sexuality, and the protests against virtual girls seem to revolve mainly around legitimizing "real" female streamers. In other words; people are upset or feel threatened that made up, rendered people might make it more difficult to make money off of your face and body online. To me, that just tastes kind of foul, being childish and loud is hard to compare to playing almost solely on your looks and sexuality. What the two groups have in common though is that they help perpetuate stereotypes about a hobby already fraught with stigma; that girls don't really care about gaming and just want attention and that boys who play games are immature and perhaps a bit of a dick. 

Personally I find the acting like a 12 year old more annoying, but I don't watch either type of streamer as I can look at sexy women elsewhere and I don't find any appeal to watching other people playing a video game online, to be frank it baffles me why so many people would even want to watch a stranger playing a video game on camera at all.

I completely agree that both perpetuate pretty crappy stereotypes about gamers.



curl-6 said:
Mummelmann said:

Absolutely so, I can't stand that style of "influencer" or streamer at all. The main difference in this instance though is that female streamers play a lot more on sexuality, and the protests against virtual girls seem to revolve mainly around legitimizing "real" female streamers. In other words; people are upset or feel threatened that made up, rendered people might make it more difficult to make money off of your face and body online. To me, that just tastes kind of foul, being childish and loud is hard to compare to playing almost solely on your looks and sexuality. What the two groups have in common though is that they help perpetuate stereotypes about a hobby already fraught with stigma; that girls don't really care about gaming and just want attention and that boys who play games are immature and perhaps a bit of a dick. 

Personally I find the acting like a 12 year old more annoying, but I don't watch either type of streamer as I can look at sexy women elsewhere and I don't find any appeal to watching other people playing a video game online, to be frank it baffles me why so many people would even want to watch a stranger playing a video game on camera at all.

I completely agree that both perpetuate pretty crappy stereotypes about gamers.

Exactly, everytime i wanted to search for tips on game or watch a walkthrough, i would find myself looking for videos where the uploader didn't talk, and if needed it would be just a person that goes directly to the point of the game, for example i like to watch the different strategies people take for some modes in Fire Emblem Heroes but thats it, the inmense majority of people playing games in youtube are  trying to be "funny" or take on the newest "trend" at the time while playing to become famous, me and my friends always wondered why instead of playing the games, which in fact a lot of people owned, they preferred to sit back and watch a bunch of people (sometimes) unsuccesfully playing a game, while trying to appeal to the watchers by acting in very outlandish ways.  



foxmccloud64 said:
curl-6 said:

Personally I find the acting like a 12 year old more annoying, but I don't watch either type of streamer as I can look at sexy women elsewhere and I don't find any appeal to watching other people playing a video game online, to be frank it baffles me why so many people would even want to watch a stranger playing a video game on camera at all.

I completely agree that both perpetuate pretty crappy stereotypes about gamers.

Exactly, everytime i wanted to search for tips on game or watch a walkthrough, i would find myself looking for videos where the uploader didn't talk, and if needed it would be just a person that goes directly to the point of the game, for example i like to watch the different strategies people take for some modes in Fire Emblem Heroes but thats it, the inmense majority of people playing games in youtube are  trying to be "funny" or take on the newest "trend" at the time while playing to become famous, me and my friends always wondered why instead of playing the games, which in fact a lot of people owned, they preferred to sit back and watch a bunch of people (sometimes) unsuccesfully playing a game, while trying to appeal to the watchers by acting in very outlandish ways.  

I'm the same. Streamers attempting to be "funny" and jumping aboard the latest inane trend is utterly painful to watch for me, it's just embarrassing. 

Only time I'd ever watch a playthrough is if I'm genuinely stuck on something, and in that case the last thing I want is some annoying twerp spouting horrendous jokes and memes while playing the game with all the skill of a stoned monkey.



curl-6 said:
Mummelmann said:

Absolutely so, I can't stand that style of "influencer" or streamer at all. The main difference in this instance though is that female streamers play a lot more on sexuality, and the protests against virtual girls seem to revolve mainly around legitimizing "real" female streamers. In other words; people are upset or feel threatened that made up, rendered people might make it more difficult to make money off of your face and body online. To me, that just tastes kind of foul, being childish and loud is hard to compare to playing almost solely on your looks and sexuality. What the two groups have in common though is that they help perpetuate stereotypes about a hobby already fraught with stigma; that girls don't really care about gaming and just want attention and that boys who play games are immature and perhaps a bit of a dick. 

Personally I find the acting like a 12 year old more annoying, but I don't watch either type of streamer as I can look at sexy women elsewhere and I don't find any appeal to watching other people playing a video game online, to be frank it baffles me why so many people would even want to watch a stranger playing a video game on camera at all.

I completely agree that both perpetuate pretty crappy stereotypes about gamers.

I don't watch streamers live at all, I really don't see the point of it. I sometimes watch parts of a Let's Play on youtube to gain an understanding of gameplay mechanics and features, as well as possible technical issues. Pretty much the only content I want to watch is properly edited, well-spoken or at the very least genuinely funny and with some kind of purpose. To me, it's unbelievable that a persona like Pewdiepie has become the monolith he has, it's absolutely insane.

One thing I really like though is looking up bits and pieces from other gamers when you become stuck in a game. Using gaming sites and similar solutions often results in blaring ads, shitty formatting and half-assed actual video with lots of filler (to keep you there for more ads).

As for the psychology behind the boys/men who toss money at female streamers, this is as fascinating as it is sad. We talk a lot about this at work since we meet kids who are in the typical risk zone of resorting to just that type of behavior since they lack understanding of human relations and the concepts of reciprocation and proper emotional connection and regulation.



Mummelmann said:
curl-6 said:

Personally I find the acting like a 12 year old more annoying, but I don't watch either type of streamer as I can look at sexy women elsewhere and I don't find any appeal to watching other people playing a video game online, to be frank it baffles me why so many people would even want to watch a stranger playing a video game on camera at all.

I completely agree that both perpetuate pretty crappy stereotypes about gamers.

I don't watch streamers live at all, I really don't see the point of it. I sometimes watch parts of a Let's Play on youtube to gain an understanding of gameplay mechanics and features, as well as possible technical issues. Pretty much the only content I want to watch is properly edited, well-spoken or at the very least genuinely funny and with some kind of purpose. To me, it's unbelievable that a persona like Pewdiepie has become the monolith he has, it's absolutely insane.

One thing I really like though is looking up bits and pieces from other gamers when you become stuck in a game. Using gaming sites and similar solutions often results in blaring ads, shitty formatting and half-assed actual video with lots of filler (to keep you there for more ads).

As for the psychology behind the boys/men who toss money at female streamers, this is as fascinating as it is sad. We talk a lot about this at work since we meet kids who are in the typical risk zone of resorting to just that type of behavior since they lack understanding of human relations and the concepts of reciprocation and proper emotional connection and regulation.

Ironically, I usually have the opposite experience regarding guides and help. When I am stuck in a video game I almost never use a video guide as having to go find the appropiate moment can be slightly more time consuming; and it is easier and faster to express a strategy or help in writing than in a video. Though this depends on the genre; I do sometimes give up and look at a proper video for say, platform games, but never for RPGs or strategy games (as in those it is much harder to express what to do in a video than in text)

The sites themselves are also easy to use, I don't know where you are finding the problems. I tend to go with Guias Nintendo (admittedly in Spanish) for Nintendo games as those are actually official (done by Nintendo themselves); and for other games I usually go with GameFAQs, whose TXT only guides with ASCII art look straight out of the late 1990s, but which do the trick just fine.

Never had a problem with many ads in either of those; even with my ad blocker disabled. (shitty formatting does apply to GameFAQs ASCII guides for technical reasons though)

I do agree with the point about psychology. It is a modern development that is very worrying.