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JuliusHackebeil said:
DonFerrari said:

In the threads discussing TLOU2 it was said the game was confusing and that they needed to make the story aligned in timeline, like have all flash backs first and them alternate between Ellie and Abby first day, second day, etc, until their confrontation.

Sure obvious and pissed aren't mutually exclusive. But being confusing and obvious are a hard match.

For me it was even more obvious because from TLOU1 it was already expected that Joel would die (and Sony not talking about him until the eve of launch, was even more evidence he wouldn't be on the game and it would be the story of Ellie). Many people even guessed Ellie would discover the truth and would either kill or abandon Joel long before TLOU2 was officially confirmed (and the poster of the guitar was the last evidence they needed that Joel wouldn't be present anymore).

I don't get upset about stories being obvious because 99% of the time I get the ending in my head right with like 20-30% of the story told or less. Sure that makes me all the more happy when my expectations is subverted, hardly I get pissed that something I expected didn't happen, and even if I get a little sad a char I liked died if the reason was good for the story I accept it. And well in RL sometimes people just die without any previous signal or reason.

Perhaps people thought that the structure was not the best way to present the story. I don't know. But I do know that a game consists of many parts. And one thing, like structure, or upgrade mechanics can easily be confusing while another, like moral lesson, or usage of plot devices can be very obvious. Not saying this is the case for TLoU2, just talking in general.

And I think we did talk about two different things. To you Joels death was obvious. Alright, to me aswell. But this is not necessarily to the detriment of the story and not what I was talking about. To me, what ND tried to achieve with the story, their masseging, the reversial, walking in the shoes of the other, learning first hand how hard it can be to forgive, this was obvious from the get go. It is an interesting experiment and certainly bold. But at the same time boring. This goes beyond being able to tell what the ending is going to be. This is about seeing a 20 hour gameplay chunk, practically the whole game, before you and thinking: yeah, yeah, I get it, but can we please instead do something interesting and a little more mature?

Now I get you. I though you were saying obvious and confusing for history could happen, not obvious in story but confusing in another element. Didn't thought it was confusing, but yes I agree with you that it is totally possible to have some elements obvious (to the point of uninteresting) and others confusing (to the point of annoyance).

About the second paragraph I agree with you, and yes for me it was kinda expected that I would play the other side (as you said we played with Abby on the start that was a warning that we would play later). I thought it was a great idea as that isn't much explored, but yes so many people felt aggravated by it because it made they feel guilty of what they done as Ellie, my friend hated the game because of it even more because he felt even worse by having to play the person that killed Joel that he really liked.

BraLoD said:
Signalstar said:

Regardless, Sony published it and co-developed it. It was Sony exclusive at the time it won the award. Sony published it on PS3, Vita, and PS4. It's a Sony game.

Nah it's a Sony game if Sony owns it.

I'm pretty positive it is a Sony game, and launching on a smartphone doesn't deny that, it didn't launch on other consoles and Horizon is very much a Sony game and launched on PC, MLB is a Sony game and will launch on Xbox and Switch.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Dahum said:
KLAMarine said:

A shame the award can't fix the writing.

A shame that you can’t see the writing is one of the best to ever take place on a video game.

Far too many contrivances in the writing for me to agree.



DonFerrari said:

I'm pretty positive it is a Sony game, and launching on a smartphone doesn't deny that, it didn't launch on other consoles and Horizon is very much a Sony game and launched on PC, MLB is a Sony game and will launch on Xbox and Switch.

He's asserted that it's Ninty ruled and doesn't want to back out of it, despite the fact that Sony pretty much worked with the dev team from the start, funded them, pubbed for them, and even helped them, as well as having it on multiple Sony systems, yet he wants a piece of paper he's legally not allowed to see.

I don't think he wants to admit it's pretty much a Sony game.



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Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

I'm pretty positive it is a Sony game, and launching on a smartphone doesn't deny that, it didn't launch on other consoles and Horizon is very much a Sony game and launched on PC, MLB is a Sony game and will launch on Xbox and Switch.

He's asserted that it's Ninty ruled and doesn't want to back out of it, despite the fact that Sony pretty much worked with the dev team from the start, funded them, pubbed for them, and even helped them, as well as having it on multiple Sony systems, yet he wants a piece of paper he's legally not allowed to see.

I don't think he wants to admit it's pretty much a Sony game.

I would say this would be more of a case that would go if you can't prove it doesn't belong to Sony then we can keep assuming it belongs.

It is quite possible that Sony even received money from the sales on smartphone. And on the help I think it was SSM that almost co-developed, done the same with couple other devs as well right?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

I would say this would be more of a case that would go if you can't prove it doesn't belong to Sony then we can keep assuming it belongs.

It is quite possible that Sony even received money from the sales on smartphone. And on the help I think it was SSM that almost co-developed, done the same with couple other devs as well right?

That's why I'd always ask for someone to acquire said contract that shows us who owns what specifically, and since no one here has said access, we're left to go with the overwhelming evidence of Sony's aid, both financially and team based.

I'm not sure who pubbed the game on phones though, but I imagine Sony would have made something out of that. 



Step right up come on in, feel the buzz in your veins, I'm like an chemical electrical right into your brain and I'm the one who killed the Radio, soon you'll all see

So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"

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Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

I would say this would be more of a case that would go if you can't prove it doesn't belong to Sony then we can keep assuming it belongs.

It is quite possible that Sony even received money from the sales on smartphone. And on the help I think it was SSM that almost co-developed, done the same with couple other devs as well right?

That's why I'd always ask for someone to acquire said contract that shows us who owns what specifically, and since no one here has said access, we're left to go with the overwhelming evidence of Sony's aid, both financially and team based.

I'm not sure who pubbed the game on phones though, but I imagine Sony would have made something out of that. 

I don't think Sony would need to publish it on phones to make a cut, there is probably some royalty fee somewhere no matter where is released or who releases.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
JuliusHackebeil said:

Perhaps people thought that the structure was not the best way to present the story. I don't know. But I do know that a game consists of many parts. And one thing, like structure, or upgrade mechanics can easily be confusing while another, like moral lesson, or usage of plot devices can be very obvious. Not saying this is the case for TLoU2, just talking in general.

And I think we did talk about two different things. To you Joels death was obvious. Alright, to me aswell. But this is not necessarily to the detriment of the story and not what I was talking about. To me, what ND tried to achieve with the story, their masseging, the reversial, walking in the shoes of the other, learning first hand how hard it can be to forgive, this was obvious from the get go. It is an interesting experiment and certainly bold. But at the same time boring. This goes beyond being able to tell what the ending is going to be. This is about seeing a 20 hour gameplay chunk, practically the whole game, before you and thinking: yeah, yeah, I get it, but can we please instead do something interesting and a little more mature?

Now I get you. I though you were saying obvious and confusing for history could happen, not obvious in story but confusing in another element. Didn't thought it was confusing, but yes I agree with you that it is totally possible to have some elements obvious (to the point of uninteresting) and others confusing (to the point of annoyance).

About the second paragraph I agree with you, and yes for me it was kinda expected that I would play the other side (as you said we played with Abby on the start that was a warning that we would play later). I thought it was a great idea as that isn't much explored, but yes so many people felt aggravated by it because it made they feel guilty of what they done as Ellie, my friend hated the game because of it even more because he felt even worse by having to play the person that killed Joel that he really liked.

BraLoD said:

Nah it's a Sony game if Sony owns it.

I'm pretty positive it is a Sony game, and launching on a smartphone doesn't deny that, it didn't launch on other consoles and Horizon is very much a Sony game and launched on PC, MLB is a Sony game and will launch on Xbox and Switch.

Well, that's why I asked, is it really?





Hynad said:

This closes the deal.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Zombie9ers said:

Every Golden Joystick Award 2020 winner

  • Best Storytelling - The Last of Us 2
  • Best Visual Design - The Last of Us 2
  • Best Audio - The Last of Us 2
  • Studio of the Year - Naughty Dog
  • PC Game of the Year - Death Stranding
  • PlayStation Game of the Year - The Last of Us 2
  • Most Wanted Game - God of War: Ragnarok
  • Ultimate Game of the Year - The Last of Us 2

Absolutely deserved. The Last of Us 2 is the most impressive game and feels like a next generation game!!

Ghost of Tsushima, FF7 Remake and Persona 5 Royal are awesome too, but my congratulations go to "The Last of Us 2".

PS: Demon Souls for PlayStation 5 and the new Spiderman weren't nominated because they came out so late.