Hynad said:
Nice movie scenario.
“Not everyone who doesn't praise this game is a, "sexist, bigot, and backward in social ideals/beliefs." Some of us just found the game to be a fun shooter with a lackluster plot.”
Never once said everyone is like that if they don’t like the game. But you took it personally, for some reason. Which is why I later said “if the hat fits”...
The entire time you played a game which made it obvious your goal was to try to push me around in an attempt to rile me up and get me banned. Misrepresenting what I said or my intentions, and twisting my words.
Here is an example:
I said: “You have to be willfully blind to not see how much hate this game and its story got for various ignorant reasons.“
And then your reply included this: “All I said was that I found the story boring, and lost interest 15 hours into the game. If that somehow translates to me being "willfully ignorant" because I don't agree with your blanket statement or think the plot is a masterpiece, then there is nothing more to say.“
Interesting how I never said not implied any of this. You reused words I said, but twisted them around to make them say something entirely different.
The whole time, the only “issue“ I had was that you didn’t go through the entire plot, and I told you I don’t think you’re in a position to dissect it if you haven’t experienced it to completion. Never once did I condemn you for not liking it, and never did I say everyone who dislikes it is a bigot, sexist, etc. You jumped in after taking offense at that comment which targeted no one directly. Hence, again, my “if the hat fits” comment, after you kept taking it all personal.
Which brings me to my ban. The kicker.
My ban note: “Flaming (Your first post here started things off on the wrong foot by insisting right off the bat that the person was biased and not worth talking to. And then it drifted into pretty clear flaming. You need to dial back the aggression and address arguments rather than the people making them.) ~ JWeinCom”
Funny how you were the first one to “address the person rather than the argument” during our exchange when you started one of your sentence early on with “the problem with you...”, and then kept making jabs and use similar rhetorics in most subsequent replies, yet you went through it all without so much as a slap on the wrist.
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Already explained that there's an appropriate way to handle things when you have issues with a mod. And Cycycychris has already told both of you to move on, so I'm not going to get into much detail, but since you brought this up publicly, I feel like I have to address two points.
1. Shiken was not the first to address the person rather than the argument. When moderating, we look at the context of the conversation, and not just the exact post moderated.
You decided to jump into a conversation you weren't even involved with to say.
"That’s totally not true. But you have already made up your mind, so it would be an exercise in futility to argue with your stance, so people shouldn’t bother."
Which is what I was referencing with "your first post". You jumped in admittedly not to engage in any discussion, but strictly to attack someone. And this post was as much of the reason behind the ban as the one that was actually moderated.
Flaming
"Accusing users of dishonesty without proper justification (a past post or web link/tweet are examples of justifications)."
Also...
Trolling
"Explain and justify your opinions. If you have nothing reasonable and/or relevant to add to a topic, then don't post at all"
2. You can absolutely address people's behaviors when it is relevant to the conversation going on in the topic, which is what Shiken did. On the other hand, complaining about some discord "circle jerk" drama has nothing to do with the topic. Calling people names like "little genius" also is very much not productive to the argument, and is flaming.
Flaming
"Calling people names, such as fanboy, idiot, salty, troll, etc, etc... "
Trolling
"You have the right to express your opinion, if it is relevant, justified, and presented in a civil manner. If you want to discuss something other than the thread topic, make your own thread." Your opinion on whatever goes on in discord is neither relevant nor presented in a civil manner.
When you cut around all the parts of the conversation that got you banned, then it seems unreasonable. So, to anyone reading, go look over the conversation, look at the forum rules, and see for yourself. As always, the proper way to deal with a mod who you think is being biased is to either report particular posts, or to message the head mod.
As for Hynad, you got one post to make your case about why this was unfair... which this honestly wasn't the right place for anyway, but w/e, and I got one post to justify my actions. Again, if you think this was not due to you breaking the rules and was a result of some personal vendetta, there is a proper way to handle that. I have no leverage that will make the mod team team keep me on if I'm arbitrarily banning people I don't like, and if I'm doing that I 100% should not be a mod, so if you can make the case go for it.
Last edited by JWeinCom - on 08 November 2020