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Ryuu96 said:

Who are we talking about exactly?

The Spam Delete option is rarely used and is typically only ever used on Spambots.

I've Spam deleted roughly 20 Spambots over the course of the week who didn't post in the forums but were spamming users walls with "I want to fuck your pussy" but if he spammed that in threads too I would have still used it.

NightlyPoe requested his Spam Delete from Machina.

I want to fuck your pussy. 

No, but I agree the spam accounts should be deleted, why would anyone want that shit up? Just not a good look for the site. Appreciate what you do pimp. 




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Well, I was looking at this old thread of mine a while ago, and I noticed that several people quoted a post by John2290, even though I can't see his post in the thread. Oddly enough, he doesn't seem to be banned though?



Flilix said:

Well, I was looking at this old thread of mine a while ago, and I noticed that several people quoted a post by John2290, even though I can't see his post in the thread. Oddly enough, he doesn't seem to be banned though?

He got a regular ban. Threw a hissy fit. Made a lot of alts and spammed etc.  So all the accounts got wiped.

That is interesting the main account isn't banned though.



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Flilix said:

Well, I was looking at this old thread of mine a while ago, and I noticed that several people quoted a post by John2290, even though I can't see his post in the thread. Oddly enough, he doesn't seem to be banned though?

I'm investigating that one and I'll get clarification from the Moderators involved but I can see that his perm ban was requested so I'm going to assume his erasure was too, it could have also been an accident - In which case, I have made Talon restrict the feature to Head Mods only until we clear this stuff up.

This feature should be Spam Accounts + Erasure Requests only - Which is what all them Spambot deletions are which I have done and the erasure on NightlyPoe. It also fucks up Moderation history a little so it's something we actually want to avoid.

He is unbanned because of a glitch, he was originally banned for 14 days but that ban was lifted to place a requested perm instead, due to how the moderation works it still technically applies the 14 days ahead of the perm so he was unbanned 14 days later even though it says perm.



Alright, so let me clarify a bit since I'm the mod in question here.

I was doing a ban for someone. Among other issues were some objectionable posts on their walls.

When you ban people, there's a little box that says "Delete PMs and Walls". So... thinking this would delete PMs and walls, I thought "oh, well that seems appropriate for this situation, I'll do just that".

Unbeknownst to me clicking that box actually deletes every post they've made, and apparently some posts that quote them as well.

There's a possibility that I may have used that on other users too, if this has happened before. Like, John requested a ban, so I figured he'd want his walls wiped clean too. Now that I know that clicking the box doesn't do what I thought, I won't be clicking it anymore.

So, this was not an effort to delete posts. I legitimately had no idea that was even something I could do, and was as surprised as anyone else. I think they're working on changing the way that option works so it won't be an issue in the future.



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I can vouch, I did not know that "Delete PMs and Walls" also deleted posts either, until today.
I haven't been in a situation where it was relevant to use it yet. But the description is definitely misleading.



JWeinCom said:
Alright, so let me clarify a bit since I'm the mod in question here.

I was doing a ban for someone. Among other issues were some objectionable posts on their walls.

When you ban people, there's a little box that says "Delete PMs and Walls". So... thinking this would delete PMs and walls, I thought "oh, well that seems appropriate for this situation, I'll do just that".

Unbeknownst to me clicking that box actually deletes every post they've made, and apparently some posts that quote them as well.

There's a possibility that I may have used that on other users too, if this has happened before. Like, John requested a ban, so I figured he'd want his walls wiped clean too. Now that I know that clicking the box doesn't do what I thought, I won't be clicking it anymore.

So, this was not an effort to delete posts. I legitimately had no idea that was even something I could do, and was as surprised as anyone else. I think they're working on changing the way that option works so it won't be an issue in the future.

For the record, I will take some of the blame too, Jwein is correct that the button itself isn't clearly labelled (it says nothing about deleting forum posts) which has led to some confusion as you can see. I am the Moderator that used it most often as it was originally only set up to delete spam accounts.

So I'll take some of the blame for not making it clear to my fellow Moderators what exactly the button does and when to use it.

In the case of John, it was a simple mistake, Jwein has explained well enough himself but I don't consider it a massive one since...John did request a perm and it wasn't like a "I need a break" but a "Fuck you" so I mean...Yeah.

As I've mentioned, Talon has now restricted it to Head Mods only, which is always the way Talon intended it to be but it was created in cooperation with myself so we assume (since I wasn't Head Mod) it was accidentally open to all Moderators.

We'll make sure this doesn't happen again and hopefully improve the implementation, I will say the issue of the thread counts being messed up is a minor issue though which is automatically fixed by opening the thread a few times.

I've also had a chat with Machina & TalonMan and Talon wants to be clear that it was never intended to be used for anything other than spam accounts, so NightlyPoe for now will remain the only requested deletion and we're putting a pause on requested deletions, the reason for this is a more technical one, there's concerns expressed by Talon regarding how it works on regular users.

He also would like if such a feature existed in the future for it to be implemented better, such as letting users delete themselves and changing it from deleting posts to replacing them with "Account Deleted" but it will be a huge feature and Talon is very busy, it also honestly isn't our issue, we don't own the site.

The feature will still be used on spam accounts, that isn't changing, even if they post in threads, that is simply something you'll have to deal with, a feature to allow account deletion may return in the future but it won't be the same one we use for spam deletion.

I have emailed Jlaruo to see if he can restore John's post history.



Agreed. It's a good thing because I was almost banned once. I forget who since they didn't make much of an impression but I do recall their abuse (which may have been accidental if the buttons weren't configured properly) and saying they no longer have authority to mod my account. Maybe an admin can get in touch just to be sure.



Ka-pi96 said:

This is something that affects the community as a whole, so regardless of their personal opinions on the matter the mods should be at least willing to hear what the community things, and that can't be done in a PM.

Well said.  It's appropriate to discuss community issues with the community, even if some people may be weirded out by it.  



I've been banned multiple times and I'd have to say I deserve every one. I'm an asshole and I say fucked up things. My views might not change but I'd say the mods let most go. Sad to see snoopy get permabanned for not much but his post were never removed. Their might be some editing but usually spam accounts. I believe if you get banned then mods keep post up to show others what not to do.