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Congrats. Although, personally, I wouldn't get an Xbox, because there isn't anything exclusive to that platform that interests me that I can't already get on PC. If the PS5 prices for games is so much worse, then going with Xbox seems like the better option. But, I wouldn't count the PS5's advances out just yet. It's also important to take cross-platform into consideration too, and I think it'll be more readily available in the next-gen anyway.



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Nice to know.



CrazyGPU said:

3 - and last Price. I really can´t understand why, but in my country (Argentina) games are usually 3 to 5 times more expensive on Sony Store. And the country is sinking, an average Salary is about 4 sony new games. 

That's all you needed to say.  After that, I'd think anyone, even the most hardcore of hardcore Sony fanboys, would understand why you're moving to the Xbox brand next gen.



Well if you already have a pc and 1070 is pretty powerful. I would rather look for a way to hook up to the TV through moving or long cable. Your power isn't much behind a series s unless you have a crappy cpu. Then playing on that setup and watch over further development. can't imagine a huge difference unless you have a big ass 4k TV and sitting right in front of it. Going that way you can always change your mind, buying cheaper series x after some time, changing to ps5 (because of great exclusive while covering xbox exclusive on pc) or upgrade pc in some years if hardware gets cheaper and more powerful then series x.



JRPGfan said:
CrazyGPU said:

Now the XBOX series X has better graphics specs, It seems to be between a RTX 2080....

.....And the PS5 GPU is between a RTX 2070 super. That´s like 16% less performance. 

Differnce between 10,3 Tflops and 12 Tflops is ~16,5%.

However theres small tweaks to the PS5 GPU (like those scrubbers it has) which should lower the differnce to less than that.

The Series X will be stronger, but not by huge margins.
This is the smallest differnce between the two consoles (playstation & xbox) in terms of strength, probably ever.

People need to stop exagerating the performance differnce.
20-30% is bullcrap, the differnce isnt that big.

Each platforms have they strength. If we talk about Teraflops, well, you know that the frequency on PS5 is not fixed, even Cerny said the real sustained performance will be get a couple of % points lower sometimes, Some people speculated that the real performance of PS5 will be 9.2 Teraflops, but lets get nice and consider it will be 10. On the other side XBOX Series X has 12.15 teraflops.  So the difference there will be 21,5% there. Its not a great difference but there are many times that a GTX 2080 doesn´t get to 4K60, So the extra power is nice to have. There will be several games that reach that resolution easier than on PS5.  

But teraflops are not the whole story. The specs are balanced, you have a 560 GB/s bandwith 320 bit bus for the GPU, compared to 448 GB/s 256 bit bus on PS5. That is a 25% advantage. 

Also PS5 has 2304 shader units / 144 texture units vs 3328 /228 in the Series X. That is 44% more shading units on the X and 58% more texture units. That benefits Ray tracing capabilities , despite the clock speed advantage of PS5. 

So  there you go. 20% is a fact. And as consoles do 30 fps or 60 mainly if you don´t have a freesync TV, The Series X will handle 60fps more times than the PS5, or will get lower quality graphics, or will get less dinamic resolution.  As New consoles are much closer to PCs, the 3rd party developers will increase graphics depending on the capabilities of the Consoles. 

On the SSD, For multiplats, they have to work on PC, and there are only a few that have nvme drives, and fewer with 5 GB/s ones. So I guess that most third party will get benefits for the SSD, but not as often as we would like. PS5 exclusives are the games that will getting benefits on that. 

As I prefered my old PS4 for 1080p, as it reached that reso most of the time, This time I think that the Series X will be a better value in that regard. 

Also with games like Warzone with more than 200 GB, and others arround 100 like Destiny, RDR2 and so on, I don´t like to have only 665 GB available on my system when I have more than that on my PS4 pro (arround 800) and even that is not enough for my taste. 



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DonFerrari said:

Argentina people and their swallowed pride.
There realy isn't anyway to say Series X or PS5 is better engineered, they just chose differerent routes. On the price itself it is odd that PS4 games are 5x more expensive new than Xbox (compared to the dolar exchange ratio how much is on each platform? And considering third parties decides their prices are them also 5x difference between the platforms?)
But well, enjoy your purchase.

Fifa 21 PS 4 - about 8000 on local currency https://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/fifa-21-ps4#D[A:fifa%2021%20ps4]

Fifa 21 X1 - about 9500 on local currency https://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/fifa-21-xbox#D[A:Fifa%2021%20xbox]

TLOU 2 - about 6000 on local currency https://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/the-last-of-us-2#D[A:the%20last%20of%20us%202]

Gears 5 - about 3000 on local currency https://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/gears-5-xbox#D[A:gears%205%20xbox]

I fail to see this 5x difference when comparing apples to apples. Are you talking about real prices or ilegal purchases? Because there are people that "sell 30 days rental" for PS4 games for 10% the price of the game and purchase of the game for 1/2 or 1/3 with shared accounts.

First, putting every people from a country in the same bag is offensive and doesn´t have anything with the post. You should respect people from other countries.

Second if you look at digital games on Xbox Argentina Store, you will see that now F1 2020 is 1000 AR$ and 60 USS on Sony Store. 

60 USS is  arround 8400 AR$. That´s 8 times the difference. 

Now If I want to get the next Dirt 5, same pricing. 8 times more expensive. 

https://www.xbox.com/es-AR/games/all-games?xr=shellnav#

the next Call of Duty? 3000 on XBOX and 9800 AR$ on PS5

Gears 5 is 1749 AR$ And TLOU2 is on Sale at 40 USS. 5600p

So It varies between games but I would put the average between 3 and 5 times cheaper. 

The price of the dolar is arround 80AR$ but then you have to pay 30% and then 35% more (Country killing Taxes). The unofficial dolar is arround 180 AR$ now. 

So I guess for 1 PS game I can buy an average of 4 Games on XBOX. And that is without considering Game pass. 



ruffy37 said:
Well if you already have a pc and 1070 is pretty powerful. I would rather look for a way to hook up to the TV through moving or long cable. Your power isn't much behind a series s unless you have a crappy cpu. Then playing on that setup and watch over further development. can't imagine a huge difference unless you have a big ass 4k TV and sitting right in front of it. Going that way you can always change your mind, buying cheaper series x after some time, changing to ps5 (because of great exclusive while covering xbox exclusive on pc) or upgrade pc in some years if hardware gets cheaper and more powerful then series x.

Its a nice graphic card, I can play many games at 4k  at arround 35 fps. And almost all at 2K 60 with tweaks here and there. I have to check specs, but I think it might be faster than a Series S. The main reason for a Console is playing in my small bedroom while resting. Also the 1070 doesn´t have ray tracing, So despite It won´t be a game changer, its nice to have a Series X, specially with a 4k TV. 

Edit: GTX 1070 is better than Series S Overall. But I guess not for much, Architectures are different to compare side by side here and RDNA2 is more modern. Some people say that an XBOX Series S wil be arround the Same performance of ONE X. And One X is arround an AMD RX 590 Which is 80% of a GTX 1070.

A GTX 1070 is arround 20% slower than a GTX 2060 super, So I would imagine that a 1070  will be middle road between a PS5 and a Series S in real world performance without Ray tracing. 

GTX 1070 Specs

6,5 Tflops, 256.3 GB/s BW, 120 TMU, 64 ROPS.

XBOX Series S

4 Tflops, 224 GB/s BW, 80 TMU, 32 ROPS.

Also As I said because of actual pricing in my country, is cheaper for me to buy a Series X and all the 3rd party games, and afterwards a PS5 for only the exclusives than buying a PS5 and all the games on the sony store. 

I calculated that buying arround 12-15 games on XBOX ARG Store instead of on Sony ARG store, the money I saved would be enough to buy a PS5. 

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CrazyGPU said:
JRPGfan said:

Differnce between 10,3 Tflops and 12 Tflops is ~16,5%.

However theres small tweaks to the PS5 GPU (like those scrubbers it has) which should lower the differnce to less than that.

The Series X will be stronger, but not by huge margins.
This is the smallest differnce between the two consoles (playstation & xbox) in terms of strength, probably ever.

People need to stop exagerating the performance differnce.
20-30% is bullcrap, the differnce isnt that big.

Each platforms have they strength. If we talk about Teraflops, well, you know that the frequency on PS5 is not fixed, even Cerny said the real sustained performance will be get a couple of % points lower sometimes, Some people speculated that the real performance of PS5 will be 9.2 Teraflops, but lets get nice and consider it will be 10. On the other side XBOX Series X has 12.15 teraflops.  So the difference there will be 21,5% there. Its not a great difference but there are many times that a GTX 2080 doesn´t get to 4K60, So the extra power is nice to have. There will be several games that reach that resolution easier than on PS5.  

But teraflops are not the whole story. The specs are balanced, you have a 560 GB/s bandwith 320 bit bus for the GPU, compared to 448 GB/s 256 bit bus on PS5. That is a 25% advantage. 

Also PS5 has 2304 shader units / 144 texture units vs 3328 /228 in the Series X. That is 44% more shading units on the X and 58% more texture units. That benefits Ray tracing capabilities , despite the clock speed advantage of PS5. 

So  there you go. 20% is a fact. And as consoles do 30 fps or 60 mainly if you don´t have a freesync TV, The Series X will handle 60fps more times than the PS5, or will get lower quality graphics, or will get less dinamic resolution.  As New consoles are much closer to PCs, the 3rd party developers will increase graphics depending on the capabilities of the Consoles. 

On the SSD, For multiplats, they have to work on PC, and there are only a few that have nvme drives, and fewer with 5 GB/s ones. So I guess that most third party will get benefits for the SSD, but not as often as we would like. PS5 exclusives are the games that will getting benefits on that. 

As I prefered my old PS4 for 1080p, as it reached that reso most of the time, This time I think that the Series X will be a better value in that regard. 

Also with games like Warzone with more than 200 GB, and others arround 100 like Destiny, RDR2 and so on, I don´t like to have only 665 GB available on my system when I have more than that on my PS4 pro (arround 800) and even that is not enough for my taste. 

Talk all you want about compute units, shader units, texture mapping units and so on, none it of it matters when you have to design the same game to run on series s, a console with an inferior gpu and ram when compared the ps5 and series x.  All those gpu features will never get fully realized and used up on a series x cause of series s.

You are also forgetting the massive difference in io throuput the ps5 has,we are talking more than double the data per second, along with other features no one fully knows about,such as how well gpu scrubbers is implemented, the coherency engine and overall design. 

Then what matters most is game budget and the quality of the dev team/studio. Again that is where the ps5 will shine and why you will see better looking games.