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HollyGamer on 23 September 2020
goopy20 said:
HollyGamer said:

Timed exclusivity = /= full time exclusivity. In fact if Sony wasn't the one who made the deal,  Microsoft will. Time exclusivity was introduce by Xbox in Xbox 360 era. 

 " My opinion ",  Microsoft will not anything by buying publisher only for exclusivity . They target is gamepass , so i bet the games that has been multiplat franchise will still be exist on PS5 for normal next gen price (70 USD)  but will be free on gamepass. That alone will attract people to buy gampass on PC, Xbox or Xcloud.

Of course they didn't. Just look at Mojang. MS spend billions on it and did it make any difference? Minecraft and MC Dungeons still went multiplat and it didn't do anything for Xone sales. MS doesn't care about our console wars, they want to make money. And they're not doing that by excluding the far biggest console platform. 

7.5B man, I wonder how many GP subscribers it takes to break even on an investment like that? Just to put things in perspective. Sony just had the 2nd best selling console in gaming history, outselling Xbox almost 3/1. Now in 2018 the ps5 made 17B in total revenue but "only" 1,7B in net revenue. Even with the success of the ps4, it would have taken almost an entire console generation for Sony to break even if they bought Zenimax... Its pretty obvious MS didn't make an investment like that just to lock it behind Series X

yup 7.5 billion only for consoles exclusivity is just pure fantasy and fanboy dream. 



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KiigelHeart on 23 September 2020

Minecraft as a brand is different than stuff from Bethesda. These new studios will put out console exclusive stuff to strenghten Xbox brand. for sure. Question marks are over TES and Fallout, but I wouldn't rule out console exclusivity either. Should be timed at least. Hardly a fanboy fantasy to see a platform holder keeping 1st party stuff exclusive.



Jannlee48504 on 23 September 2020
HollyGamer said:
yvanjean said:

Even more reason Microsoft had to acquire Bethesda, I hope Microsoft at the very least slap a time exclusive on all future Zenimax games.  

Timed exclusivity = /= full time exclusivity. In fact if Sony wasn't the one who made the deal,  Microsoft will. Time exclusivity was introduce by Xbox in Xbox 360 era. 

 " My opinion ",  Microsoft will not gain anything by buying publisher only for exclusivity . They target is gamepass , so i bet the games that has been multiplat franchise will still be exist on PS5 for normal next gen price (70 USD)  but will be free on gamepass. That alone will attract people to buy gampass on PC, Xbox or Xcloud.

Timed exclusive started with ps2 when sony did that with the gta series 



goopy20 on 23 September 2020
KiigelHeart said:
Minecraft as a brand is different than stuff from Bethesda. These new studios will put out console exclusive stuff to strenghten Xbox brand. for sure. Question marks are over TES and Fallout, but I wouldn't rule out console exclusivity either. Should be timed at least. Hardly a fanboy fantasy to see a platform holder keeping 1st party stuff exclusive.

I think it'll all depend on how keeping those games exclusive will impact GP subscribers growth. Is a 4-yearly Doom being timed exclusive really going to matter in the grand scheme of things? When will Starfield, Elder Scrolls 6 and the next Fallout come out, and will they be any good? Who, knows really. Skyrim come out a decade ago and Fallout 76 probably wouldn't have had much impact if it was exclusive on any platform. Same thing with timed exclusives like Deathloop and Ghostwire on ps5 btw. 

All I know is that right now GP is on Xbox, PC and Android and they managed to grow to 15m subscribers. Maybe 15m sounds like a lot but I don't think that's gonna cut it to break even on a 7,5B investment and the deal they made with EA. Especially when they've been giving GP out practically for free with their $1 trials. 

MS keeps mentioning there are 3 Billion mobile gamers out there, saying "If everybody plays, we all win". On paper it makes perfect sense and I think they would really need to tap into that casual market big time if they want to turn GP profitable. Its why they are releasing the $299 Series S, thinking it will draw in the casuals by being cheap. I just think they're completely underestimating the fact that not every person with a phone wants to play (console) games. Let alone pay $15 bucks a month for it and a $299 console. We can already see the first signs of this strategy not working as there's still plenty of stock for Series S where I live, while Ps5 and SX were sold out in minutes. 



kirby007 on 23 September 2020
goopy20 said:
KiigelHeart said:
Minecraft as a brand is different than stuff from Bethesda. These new studios will put out console exclusive stuff to strenghten Xbox brand. for sure. Question marks are over TES and Fallout, but I wouldn't rule out console exclusivity either. Should be timed at least. Hardly a fanboy fantasy to see a platform holder keeping 1st party stuff exclusive.

I think it'll all depend on how keeping those games exclusive will impact GP subscribers growth. Is a 4-yearly Doom being timed exclusive really going to matter in the grand scheme of things? When will Starfield, Elder Scrolls 6 and the next Fallout come out, and will they be any good? Who, knows really. Skyrim come out a decade ago and Fallout 76 probably wouldn't have had much impact if it was exclusive on any platform. Same thing with timed exclusives like Deathloop and Ghostwire on ps5 btw. 

All I know is that right now GP is on Xbox, PC and Android and they managed to grow to 15m subscribers. Maybe 15m sounds like a lot but I don't think that's gonna cut it to break even on a 7,5B investment and the deal they made with EA. Especially when they've been giving GP out practically for free with their $1 trials. 

MS keeps mentioning there are 3 Billion mobile gamers out there, saying "If everybody plays, we all win". On paper it makes perfect sense and I think they would really need to tap into that casual market big time if they want to turn GP profitable. Its why they are releasing the $299 Series S, thinking it will draw in the casuals by being cheap. I just think they're completely underestimating the fact that not every person with a phone wants to play (console) games. Let alone pay $15 bucks a month for it and a $299 console. We can already see the first signs of this strategy not working as there's still plenty of stock for Series S where I live, while Ps5 and SX were sold out in minutes. 

i think you are once again stretching, there is no stock anywhere, there might be preorders but thats non related towards the market the Series S caters for, please stop and just respond in playstation topics from now on out



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KiigelHeart on 23 September 2020
goopy20 said:
KiigelHeart said:
Minecraft as a brand is different than stuff from Bethesda. These new studios will put out console exclusive stuff to strenghten Xbox brand. for sure. Question marks are over TES and Fallout, but I wouldn't rule out console exclusivity either. Should be timed at least. Hardly a fanboy fantasy to see a platform holder keeping 1st party stuff exclusive.

I think it'll all depend on how keeping those games exclusive will impact GP subscribers growth. Is a 4-yearly Doom being timed exclusive really going to matter in the grand scheme of things? When will Starfield, Elder Scrolls 6 and the next Fallout come out, and will they be any good? Who, knows really. Skyrim come out a decade ago and Fallout 76 probably wouldn't have had much impact if it was exclusive on any platform. Same thing with timed exclusives like Deathloop and Ghostwire on ps5 btw. 

All I know is that right now GP is on Xbox, PC and Android and they managed to grow to 15m subscribers. Maybe 15m sounds like a lot but I don't think that's gonna cut it to break even on a 7,5B investment and the deal they made with EA. Especially when they've been giving GP out practically for free with their $1 trials. 

MS keeps mentioning there are 3 Billion mobile gamers out there, saying "If everybody plays, we all win". On paper it makes perfect sense and I think they would really need to tap into that casual market big time if they want to turn GP profitable. Its why they are releasing the $299 Series S, thinking it will draw in the casuals by being cheap. I just think they're completely underestimating the fact that not every person with a phone wants to play (console) games. Let alone pay $15 bucks a month for it and a $299 console. We can already see the first signs of this strategy not working as there's still plenty of stock for Series S where I live, while Ps5 and SX were sold out in minutes. 

They made an investment to grow their business so I expect them to use it. If they release their games on playstation for some additional profits, they'll break even a bit faster but might fall short on their targets to grow their own ecosystem. And I don't think it's worth it in a long run to rush to break even. 1€ GP deals are another example of losing money to grow. I think TES, Fallout and Doom will have an impact along with other 1st party games, and despite GP, those will sell a good amount of copies on PC and Xbox. 

I don't think they're underestimating anything, you just make your goopystyle assumptions again. And it's pretty obvious that early adopters are "hardcore gamers" who'll want the most powerful console ffs. As you said, Series S is for casuals and will sell more during holiday season.



goopy20 on 23 September 2020
kirby007 said:
goopy20 said:

I think it'll all depend on how keeping those games exclusive will impact GP subscribers growth. Is a 4-yearly Doom being timed exclusive really going to matter in the grand scheme of things? When will Starfield, Elder Scrolls 6 and the next Fallout come out, and will they be any good? Who, knows really. Skyrim come out a decade ago and Fallout 76 probably wouldn't have had much impact if it was exclusive on any platform. Same thing with timed exclusives like Deathloop and Ghostwire on ps5 btw. 

All I know is that right now GP is on Xbox, PC and Android and they managed to grow to 15m subscribers. Maybe 15m sounds like a lot but I don't think that's gonna cut it to break even on a 7,5B investment and the deal they made with EA. Especially when they've been giving GP out practically for free with their $1 trials. 

MS keeps mentioning there are 3 Billion mobile gamers out there, saying "If everybody plays, we all win". On paper it makes perfect sense and I think they would really need to tap into that casual market big time if they want to turn GP profitable. Its why they are releasing the $299 Series S, thinking it will draw in the casuals by being cheap. I just think they're completely underestimating the fact that not every person with a phone wants to play (console) games. Let alone pay $15 bucks a month for it and a $299 console. We can already see the first signs of this strategy not working as there's still plenty of stock for Series S where I live, while Ps5 and SX were sold out in minutes. 

i think you are once again stretching, there is no stock anywhere, there might be preorders but thats non related towards the market the Series S caters for, please stop and just respond in playstation topics from now on out

Of course there's no stock when they aren't even out yet. But pre-orders for Series X and ps5 were gone in minutes, whereas you can still pre order the Series S almost everywhere. All I'm saying is that there is a lot less demand for Series S, and you tell me who MS is targeting with their $299 console?

https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/22/xbox-series-x-pre-orders-sold-out-xbox-series-s-still-in-stock-in-the-uk-13310155/



AsGryffynn on 23 September 2020

People have short memory. Neither the PS2 nor PS3 were particularly profitable, but there was plenty of investment into both.



kirby007 on 23 September 2020
goopy20 said:
kirby007 said:

i think you are once again stretching, there is no stock anywhere, there might be preorders but thats non related towards the market the Series S caters for, please stop and just respond in playstation topics from now on out

Of course there's no stock when they aren't even out yet. But pre-orders for Series X and ps5 were gone in minutes, whereas you can still pre order the Series S almost everywhere. All I'm saying is that there is a lot less demand for Series S, and you tell me who MS is targeting with their $299 console?

https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/22/xbox-series-x-pre-orders-sold-out-xbox-series-s-still-in-stock-in-the-uk-13310155/

yes the mass market, but the mass market doesn't preorder............................................................................................



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goopy20 on 23 September 2020
kirby007 said:
goopy20 said:

Of course there's no stock when they aren't even out yet. But pre-orders for Series X and ps5 were gone in minutes, whereas you can still pre order the Series S almost everywhere. All I'm saying is that there is a lot less demand for Series S, and you tell me who MS is targeting with their $299 console?

https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/22/xbox-series-x-pre-orders-sold-out-xbox-series-s-still-in-stock-in-the-uk-13310155/

yes the mass market, but the mass market doesn't preorder............................................................................................

I know bud. Just saying its an indication that Series S might not draw in the bulk of the casual gamers like MS is hoping for. We'll see how it plays out during Christmas.

All I know is that the core gaming market has been stagnant for a while now. Therefore, ever since MS introduced Kinect, MS has been looking for ways to broaden the market. With Game Pass and Xcloud they're trying to do the same thing. They keep saying there are 3Billion mobile gamers out there and their slogan is "if everybody plays we all win".  

I'm not here to piss people off and I know that if I say MS just went 3rd party, some might feel like I offended their kid sister. But that's only because they are emotionally invested in the Xbox brand and are still thinking this is a console war. If you're team Xbox then of course you want to see the Bethesda games exclusive on Xbox and laugh at the Sony ponies. But like I said, MS doesn't care about our console war. They've literally told us they're not trying to compete with Sony and Nintendo and that they don't care how many Xboxes they'll sell. All they want is to get everyone and their grandma to play on GP on whatever device you own. 

Xbox fans are fine with GP coming to the Switch but hate the idea of GP potentially coming to ps5. Its an emotional thing. But would it even matter, when it comes pre-installed on our TVs, Blu-Ray players, phones or any other streaming device anyway?   

Last edited by goopy20 - on 23 September 2020