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If Xbox Series S is 100$ cheaper than PS5, could Xbox Outsell PS5?

Yes, Xbox is the favorite to win 9 5.77%
 
Yes, it's possible 36 23.08%
 
Unlikely 60 38.46%
 
No chance 51 32.69%
 
Total:156
PAOerfulone said:

Well shit.

Perfect! I'm already gonna be overwhelmed with games at PS5/XSX launch. this will be good for the game, and good for gamers! 



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DonFerrari said:
Runa216 said:

I'm all about honesty and truth and fairness, so while I'm totally on team Sony here...when Xbox was cheaper than PS3, it was regularly selling a tonne more; it wasn't until Sony went down to I think 299 that they really kicked up a storm. that plus all the exclusives they were getting around that time. but yeah, THAT much of a difference (Especially when coupled with all the other problems PS3 had) was certainly a factor. 

Actually not exactly right.

When you align from release PS3 was always ahead of X360 even with 200 price difference. Even if you consider calendar years PS3 outsold X360 all but one year. Only when you take cumulative without aligning that X360 was ahead until almost the end.

Right! I forgot they weren't both released the same year. 

Damn, even with an extra year and Sony having a disastrous start, Xbox couldn't catch a break. 



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PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

Runa216 said:

Right! I forgot they weren't both released the same year. 

Damn, even with an extra year and Sony having a disastrous start, Xbox couldn't catch a break. 

Puts things into perspective, doesn't it?

The only region the Xbox has a fighting chance is NA. As it stands, PS4 has sold around 38M consoles there to the Xbox's around 31M. But the real point here is that that only accounts for 33% of the PS4 total sales and a whopping ~64% of the Xbox sales. 

The 7th gen has given a lot of people a lot of false hope or ideas. It blinded them to just how lopsided this fight between the PS and Xbox truly is. It simply does not matter what Xbox does, short of selling the 12TF XBSX for like $299, even then they would need the PS5 to be priced at $499/$599 to generate any kinda traction. Basically, this isn't and has never been a fair fight, MS needs sony to properly fuck up out the gate to make this remotely fair.

Power, game pass, all-access...etc, these are all cards MS has played before, multiple times. It has never made a difference. The only thing that could, is if MS literally goes out there and builds a library of stellar must-have exclusives, and while they are at it, secure major third-party exclusives too. I am talking things like Cyberpunk, Call of Duty, GTA6...etc. All while being cheaper. Thats exactly what Sony did with the PS1 to dethrone Nintendo and Sega.



Intrinsic said:
Slownenberg said:
I'd say it still has no chance to beat PS5, but I certainly think it will help a little bit. Though I expect for most people who want a cheaper system they'd rather go Switch than a low powered next gen xbox. If Nintendo didn't exist I think it'd make a much bigger dent as the cheapest current system available. But yeah it'll probably prop up XSeries sales by 5 or 10 million, but when the gap is many tens of millions between Xbox and Playstation that doesn't do much to close the gap.

Why do people talk like the price is all that matters?

First and foremost, what matters are the games. Then the next thing is the price and then features. 

Things like power, controllers, services...etc all fall into the features category. The least relevant of all the categories. But the most important category is games. 

Why do I ay this? If you want to play Cyberpunk, COD, the Net GTA...etc, then the Switch isn't even ever going to be an option to you. It won't even be in the conversation of your platform choice. And this applies to all platforms. If I want to play Gears, then the only options available to me are an Xbox or a PC. The Playstation will not even be in the conversation.

Very few people (if any at all) go into a store with the primary goal being o walk out with the "cheapest" gaming platform they can buy. I mean, is not like all you have to do is just get whatever is the cheapest and that will allow you to play EVERYTHING. Even the "casuals" as we call them, don't eve do that. Those people usually buy hat is trending, most popular, what they see at their neighbours house or whatever, or what they have been told to get by someone else.

Sure. but not everyone is a CoD/GTA player. Some people just wanna play great games and not pay $500 for a system. For those people it's XSS or Switch to play games for the next few years, and between those two, with the Switch you get the full system while XSS you get a hamstringed system where you probably have to pay an extra $200 for storage anyways, or constantly delete games you've already played because you only get 512 gigs of storage and most games are probably 50-100gb or more.

I wasn't saying price is all that matters. But the entire point of the XSS existing is to have a low price, so in this case yes price is very important. So anyone considering it is doing so for the price, and between the two cheap systems I would think most people would chose a Switch, unless of course you're essentially CoD focused gamer (meaning you basically just wanna buy action games and shooters, or sports games). If price isn't a concern and this hypothetical gamer doesn't want a Switch then XSS wouldn't even be in the conversation.

Last edited by Slownenberg - on 11 September 2020

Slownenberg said:

Sure. but not everyone is a CoD/GTA player. Some people just wanna play great games and not pay $500 for a system. For those people it's XSS or Switch to play games for the next few years, and between those two, with the Switch you get the full system while XSS you get a hamstringed system where you probably have to pay an extra $200 for storage anyways, or constantly delete games you've already played because you only get 512 gigs of storage and most games are probably 50-100gb or more.

I wasn't saying price is all that matters. But the entire point of the XSS existing is to have a low price, so in this case yes price is very important. So anyone considering it is doing so for the price, and between the two cheap systems I would think most people would chose a Switch, unless of course you're essentially CoD focused gamer (meaning you basically just wanna buy action games and shooters, or sports games). If price isn't a concern and this hypothetical gamer doesn't want a Switch then XSS wouldn't even be in the conversation.

Cheaper is always great. However, its relative. And that the point I have been trying to make with regards to the price. If you read this thread, from some it comes off sounding like the cheaper console will always win or will make a meaningful difference, or is the ace in the hole MS has always needed. When in truth, nothing as far as the fight between the PS and Xbox would suggest that.

I am not saying that a cheaper xbox wouldn't accelerate Xbox sales or help some, I am saying that it would not affect the PS5 in any way. And why I think that; at a time when there was a $200 price difference between the PS3 and 360, when games were running better on the 360, when the 360 had a far better gaming library than it does today in comparison to the PS, when the 360 had been out for a whole year before the PS3, the PS3 still managed to outsell it globally for all but one year.

Now, we are talking about a $100 difference not just between a PS and Xbox console, but between a far more powerful PS to Xbox console. They are both all-digital consoles, it's actually super easy to upsell someone on a PS5D from an XBSS when you start listing out all that you get for just a $100 more.

Point is, that $100 isn't gonna be enough. If however, the PS5D is $150/$200 more expensive than a XBSS, then that is a totally different matter. I say this because you said some people just wanna play a great game and not pay $500 for a system. Asifboth PS5 SKUs are going to be $500.I can almost guarantee this, at least one of the two PS5 SKUs will be $399. That's just $100 more than the XBSS. 

I hope for MS sake, that $399 isn't the price of the most expensive PS5.

Last edited by Intrinsic - on 11 September 2020

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Snoopy said:
Runa216 said:

That's just not the reality of the situation. Like I said, Xbox One was way cheaper than PS4 for the majority of the generation and couldn't even come close to the Ps4's success. 

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying the Xbox Series X CAN'T do it, just that nothing in the last generation and a half indicates to me that this is likely at all. If price was as much of a factor as you say it is, it would have been a factor this entire last gen. 

When was Xbox one 100 dollars cheaper than PS4? PS4 was cheaper at the very beginning and caused a snowball effect. Once someone buys a PS4 or Xbox one, it's hard to justify buying another console that plays 95% of the same games.

Is this why the PS4 continues to outsell the Xbox One?  Or is it the remaining "5 percent" of Sony exclusives?  Those must be some DAMN fine exclusives.



I'm thinking of buying both digital consoles.



Possible but unlikely. I feel that by now most people who buy consoles have settled on their preferred one and like that particular ecosystem. As a result, I think most will be unlikely to switch brands, especially when all of the 3 brands are branching off in very different directions. Based on this, i expect the gap between the ps5 and series X to close but still be in the ps5's favour.



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LivingMetal said:
Snoopy said:

When was Xbox one 100 dollars cheaper than PS4? PS4 was cheaper at the very beginning and caused a snowball effect. Once someone buys a PS4 or Xbox one, it's hard to justify buying another console that plays 95% of the same games.

Is this why the PS4 continues to outsell the Xbox One?  Or is it the remaining "5 percent" of Sony exclusives?  Those must be some DAMN fine exclusives.

Well...yeah. Yeh they are. PS and Nintendo exclusives are regularly outstanding (with a few duds.) Xbox exclusives as of late are few and far between, and the good ones (Mostly Forza, lets be honest) are the exceptions, not the rule. 



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PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

Runa216 said:
LivingMetal said:

Is this why the PS4 continues to outsell the Xbox One?  Or is it the remaining "5 percent" of Sony exclusives?  Those must be some DAMN fine exclusives.

Well...yeah. Yeh they are. PS and Nintendo exclusives are regularly outstanding (with a few duds.) Xbox exclusives as of late are few and far between, and the good ones (Mostly Forza, lets be honest) are the exceptions, not the rule. 

And i have a problem with trusting Microsoft on speedy development in their studios when the most interesting titles for AAA games(for me) have no gameplay shown,like yes it is great Fable will be back but when,end next gen with some misfortune?

Obsidians Elder scrolls-like game is another one, a giant task that can take many years.

I'm also interested in Senuas sacrifice 2 but again we just have a fancy movie shown as trailer.

Again i plan on playing on all 4 platforms next gen but very curious how long it takes for Microsoft to give me enough incentive to buy their console, i like what they will have but have no idea when.