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BraLoD said:
It's fine, PS5 is there for a reason.

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Chazore said:
Thread title mentions PS4/X1, but your ending question is only Xbox related...

C'mon Goopy, you gotta try harder than that man.

I know but Sony's been pretty clear that they want to move on asap, while Phil Spencer has said: "Xbox One Releases Holding Back Xbox Series X Games is a Meme."

https://www.ign.com/articles/xbox-series-x-xbox-one-exclusives-held-back-meme-phil-spencer



Isn't this the rule for all console generations? If it were easy, it would be pointless to have newer hardware, wouldn't it? That was the problem during the early PS4/XBOne days, every game came to the newer gen and the old PS360 pairs, so many complained about the point of the new hardware.



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I assume that is why Medium isn't coming out on xbox one.
Although "the gunk" developers apparently wanted to work with Microsoft because it is the most powerful.. yet it is coming out on xbox one.

Probably makes sense though. Every bell and whistle you add to one game you have to make sure you can support or remove it for the other. Like how they removed the nemesis system for shadows of mordor.



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Aside from Halo and Grounded I don’t see MS doing their own policy much end of day.

I don’t get your angle, I mean I do but it’s a weird approach. Clearly you driving the point that Xbox is in the wrong for doing cross gen games. But your last sentence acknowledges they aren’t doing it in practice for the most part. Lol can’t win.



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Darwinianevolution said:
Isn't this the rule for all console generations? If it were easy, it would be pointless to have newer hardware, wouldn't it? That was the problem during the early PS4/XBOne days, every game came to the newer gen and the old PS360 pairs, so many complained about the point of the new hardware.

Isn't PS3 the cell nightmare machine? Wasn't PS4 a giant leap in the right architectural direction, especially when it came to BC? How can scaling back x86 PS5 to x86 PS4 be anything close to scaling back/porting x86 PS4 to cell PS3?



Well sure, supporting more platforms costs money and generally is annoying.... but if you've built a decent game engine it's no different to supporting different powered PCs.



Well they run on a tablet CPU, what did you expect?



If a game developed on next gen first just uses next gen higher GPU power, that's the only case in which scaling dow is reasonably easy.
If the game NEEDS or heavily relies on next gen larger main RAM and/or higher CPU power, port can become very hard or impossible or requiring a radical rewriting.
If the games makes heavy use of next gen SSD, port can still be possible, but without some rewriting it will be gimped.
The easiest way is developing on current gen first and scaling up on next gen consoles, the downside is that next gen versions will just use a subset of new HW power and offer just minor cosmetic improvements, but possibly also a really good improvement in frame rate.
Without external pressures, many devs will be tempted by the most radical choice, but publishers will push for the one that will give maximum total sales, unless console makers moneyhat them to give up current gen and make full use of next gen capabilities.



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EricHiggin said:
Darwinianevolution said:
Isn't this the rule for all console generations? If it were easy, it would be pointless to have newer hardware, wouldn't it? That was the problem during the early PS4/XBOne days, every game came to the newer gen and the old PS360 pairs, so many complained about the point of the new hardware.

Isn't PS3 the cell nightmare machine? Wasn't PS4 a giant leap in the right architectural direction, especially when it came to BC? How can scaling back x86 PS5 to x86 PS4 be anything close to scaling back/porting x86 PS4 to cell PS3?

Not my point. My point is that, if you can scale it down without losing anything major, the game was feasible on the older hardware. And if it was possible in the older hardware, what' the point of the new console? The first year of PS4/XBOne was plagued by crossgen releases and remasters, it took a while for propper 8th gen games to appear.



You know it deserves the GOTY.

Come join The 2018 Obscure Game Monthly Review Thread.