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How shortsighted are you if you support monopolistic practices because you only see epic as a bad entity.
Lets say a unknown entity ( implying: not epic ) is allowed to open a app store called unknown app store on both ios/android why are you so against this? The current situation will not hold, it might last another 10 years. But it will get opened, book it.

Economic arguments are flawed, because they allready make money on the hardware and the OS on each phone sale.
Supporting the stores infrastructure i can agree with that a royalty fee is needed, thats why i feel what epic does isn't correct. But the idea behind it that they should be able to open a storefront just like on pc is a valid point



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This is coming from a guy who would have supported a 100% digital xbox one in 2012, im not stuck with the traditional mindset: change=bad



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kirby007 said:
How shortsighted are you if you support monopolistic practices because you only see epic as a bad entity.
Lets say a unknown entity ( implying: not epic ) is allowed to open a app store called unknown app store on both ios/android why are you so against this? The current situation will not hold, it might last another 10 years. But it will get opened, book it.

Economic arguments are flawed, because they allready make money on the hardware and the OS on each phone sale.
Supporting the stores infrastructure i can agree with that a royalty fee is needed, thats why i feel what epic does isn't correct. But the idea behind it that they should be able to open a storefront just like on pc is a valid point

How about yourself?. Can you not see what kind of long game those guys are even playing at all, or are you just looking at the short term grand vision they keep gawking about?.

I see all 3 companies as utter garbage, but at least Google isn't paying devs to fuck off from two storefronts to lessen my experience and sodding strong arm me into using a vastly inferior store. Yes I am aware of their shitty cloud service and the very fewer deals than Epic they've made, but they didn't start right out the gate like "Valve is muh enemy, no dev should sell there" kind of tirade that a billionaire CEO was spouting, like a child with their dummy.

Epic can absolutely open up their own storefront, and then try and ask apple if they can have it on their OS, but that's again, up to Apple's curation at the end of the day, the same shit that's keeping certain devs from selling on EGS. 



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kirby007 said:
This is coming from a guy who would have supported a 100% digital xbox one in 2012, im not stuck with the traditional mindset: change=bad

No, I do like change, just when the change actually BENEFITS everyone, and not just a group who don't give two shits about whatever happens to everyone else.

Like the EGS currently does not benefit me at all, not as a GoG/Steam/Battlenet/Origin user, in no shape or form. Their crock of bullshit is basically just them trying to make more money, getting more people to use just their engine, their network, their services and paying them to ignore everyone else, effectively and forcefully starving the competition deliberately, you know, intentionally, as in they want them to BURN, to SUFFER. You're getting at us not being able to see shit, but you're doing exactly the same here, you're ignoring the fact that epic isn't NOBLE, they are a billion dollar company that's plan is to fuck over everyone else and become "THE" top dog, not a underdog.



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Look if epic is allowed their own storefront that means others can aswell, that means my uplay/origin purchases in the future can be played on ios
Stop being shortsighted and think this will only effect epic, it will open up for everyone



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I mean if your point only rests on the following without looking further im done: Booooh epic bad reeeeeeeee epic suxkzors blahblah blah
Yes i agree epic sucks but thats not the fucking point



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Ka-pi96 said:
kirby007 said:

But on the pc platform you can make an alternative to steam...

You can make alternatives to Apple for mobiles too. Alternatives already exist even.

Apple don't have a monopoly. They have a monopoly on their own product (just like Amazon have a monopoly on Amazon.com or Gamestop have a monopoly in Gamestop stores), but that's all.

Apple has a monopoly on ios no matter how you feel about that. And thats the case epic makes, apple has a forced monopoly on ios while google has a natural on android because the smartphone manufacturers can add their own store like samsung and wahway



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kirby007 said:
Look if epic is allowed their own storefront that means others can aswell, that means my uplay/origin purchases in the future can be played on ios
Stop being shortsighted and think this will only effect epic, it will open up for everyone

You can still get to Epic's storefront via browser on Apple devices just not via Apple's app store (without giving Apple a share).



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kirby007 said:

But on the pc platform you can make an alternative to steam...

That's because the PC platform has so far been an open platform. And being open comes with its own quirks. First, you see multiple stores, then you start seeing "store" exclusives. And before you know what. you start to see content specific to certain stores within games available on both stores. Its just competition, its just business. All these people are in it to make money.

Lets put our personal biases (god or bad) towards any company aside and look at this practically. I am going to use Playstation as an example here since I am most familiar with them, but what I am saying is applicable to everyone in some way or the other.

  1. You set out to build a new console. You spend hundreds of millions to billions of dollars on R&D, infrastructure, and marketing. You release your product. If this product fails, it's all on you. You absorb all the losses associated with that product.
  2. Now you have created a product that can and will be sold to as many people as possible. You even do things like take a loss on the hardware to enable you to come in at a price that would allow you to sell as many consoles as possible.
  3. The cornerstone of this business model is that you make money from the actual sales of software on your platform.
  4. Then someone comes along, decides they want to tap into the users on the platform you have created, but also decides they don't want you getting a dime from them and they instead make all the money?

How is that fair?

An argument can be made that publishers can push for platform holders to take less money from them, but you will find that platform holders would require certain things from the publisher in turn (again, it's a business) eg.. fine, we will drop what we take from you for every game sold from30% to 5%, as long as you make your game exclusive to our platform.

That just how it works, and its a fair system.



kirby007 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

You can make alternatives to Apple for mobiles too. Alternatives already exist even.

Apple don't have a monopoly. They have a monopoly on their own product (just like Amazon have a monopoly on Amazon.com or Gamestop have a monopoly in Gamestop stores), but that's all.

Apple has a monopoly on ios no matter how you feel about that. And thats the case epic makes, apple has a forced monopoly on ios while google has a natural on android because the smartphone manufacturers can add their own store like samsung and wahway

Apple doesn't even have the best products in their respective industries.  They built a solid Iphone and solid macbooks that are easy to use for people of all ages, and relatively safe from viruses.  Nokia once owned market on phones, Motorola dominated for a little bit with the Razor,  Blakcberry lead the way for a few years, and Iphone has dominated for awhile now.  There is no reason another phone be it Android or someone else can't take over.  When Nintendo was restrictive and charged high licensing fees in the 80's 3rd parties switched when a viable alternative was available in the PS1.  The macbook I bought in 2013 is still working like the day I bought it, while I went through 3 pc laptops in a similar time frame before 2013.  The market decides if a product is worth purchasing and people have short memories and will turn on Apple in an instance if they rest on their laurels and allow another to beat them with products.  Amazon on the other hand I would put in monopoly territory.  Not because of Amazon.com they built that from scratch and I consider that fair game, but with all the other industries they are trying to kill off.  Buying up Whole Foods, Pets stores, trucking logistics companies, Amazon prime to compete with Netflix, working with the Kiddle and stealing the design, buying up electric truck manufactures so other trucking companies can't buy those puts them into Monopoly territory where they are going to single handily kill off tens of thousands of companies.