DonFerrari said:
Nautilus said:
Sure, and there are car manufacturers that give 6 months warranty. The "warranty" goes into the final price.Those cars with 5 or 7 years warranty is those that wayyyyyy over many users salary here. No business is here to lose money.Apple dosen't cover anything for me, and it shouldn't. They are not my parents or babysitters. If I want a warranty, i'll pay for one, not have one charged upfront for me in the cost of the cellphone. Companies aren't charities, for gods sake.
Well I don`t know any car manufacturer that gives 6 months warranty. Sure warranty goes into the price, together with the quality of the product. What does that have to do with anything discussed? Apple gives 1 year of warranty? And does the average apple user then uses the system for 7 years with Apple being responsible for everything? Nope. You can`t have your cake and eat, you use cases that are totally off warranty like theft and accident to claim I need to purchase a insurrence, but then cover up for Apple saying they don`t need to give you warranty.
"Nope it isn`t their property" What? You paid for the phone, you can do whatever the hell you want with it.With the physical product. But the service you "rent" it. You sign a contract for godness sake. You guys are so entitled. If you don't agree with their services, go buy a phone from a different company. That's the beauty of competition. Your example is horrible once again. The difference betwenn that example and a service is that you are responsible for the car function and well being, while the Operating System is on Apple's side. It's apples and oranges.I mean, you can't even compare them. It's two different m,arkets, with different rules, different enviroments.
I already buy from another company, and tell me can anyone buy an Apple phone without "renting" their service? In Brazilian customer law that is a married sale, and is against law. Nope the standard functioning of the car is the manufacturers responsibility, user is expected to not abuse it, do preventive maintenance (as instructed on the manual), fuel and change oil (like you also charge your phone), if the car doesn`t work as intended the car company is sued. Sure it is different markets, still don`t justify Apple practices.
They aren't a monopoly, so there is no breach of law. As someone said here, when you include every single mobile platform, Apple makes for less than 25% of the market share. Don, I would love to pay cheaper for things, or even for free as you all seem to be dreaming about(if Apple didn't charge that 30%), but not only that won't be happening ever, but it's also not fair. Apple is a company, and as a company it wants money. And yes, the most money it can get away with. But more than that, keeping a platform like IOS running and running so well costs alot of money.
Android works just as well, and for me and many a lot better, and they don`t need those same rules. So yes you are just apologizing for their savage practices. When a single company holds 25% of a market that have let`s say 20 companies it really have a lot of marketshare and may apply MONOPOLISTIC practices, it doesn`t mean it have a monopoly it means it use practices that are from this type of market or to achieve this type of market.
Things like these always reming me how much of a headache it is to sell stuff to the final customer. They always think they are entitled to every possible right imaginable.
And you seem to want poor trilionary Apple to have more rights and abuse than is needed or acceptable. How many products do you know that you buy and can`t use without authorization from whoever made it? Because without the OS that comes with the device you just own 200gr of metals and plastic that would be worth cents on weight, so nope you don`t buy just that. Would you say that when you buy a digital game you don`t own anything since there is nothing physical to hold so that dev or publisher don`t own you anything?
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What I'm saying is that Apple dosen't own you anything. Giving warranty or not is up to the manufacturer, be it of cars or phones. We would be in a dictatorship if companies were forced to give things like that, assuming they are not giving you a faulty product. That's where competition comes in, and that's why products and services gets better/cheaper. You should be responsible for your own actions be it dropping your phone and it breaking, and yes, risking not paying for assurance and getting your phone stolen.
If it was against the law, Apple wouldn't be able to sell products there, dear Don. But since I know as a fact that Apple can indeed sell phones there, your either lying or just plain mistaken.Well yes, if the car is faulty from the manufacturing, of course the manufacturer is responsible. But that's not what we were discussing was it? It was about charging not the final customer, but rather other companies, to be able to use the syustem that they keep, develop and gives tons of assurances(like stability, fraud assurance, etc).For a car the final customer is responsible for it, assuming it isn't faulty. For platforms(the OS) the manufacturer itself is responsible for it. You may not like it, but that's how it works
You don't really know what monopoly means, do you? Well, I think that closes that discussion.
Regarding the other part: Yeah, Google and some other companies do different. So what? Apple chooses to do different, and it works. It's not wether you like it or not. If it were up to me, I wouldn't want to pay 1 cent. But it isn't about me or you. And Apple is really sucessful, which means that people are largely okay with it.
I don't want poor trilionare Apple to have more rights. I want their current rights respected, just as I want our current rights respected. It's easy to defend something when it's favorable to you, isn't it? But if it were the other way around, it becomes way harder. I'm just being honest to myself.
And yeah, that's why I always try to buy physical, because i don't fully trust what a contract says or in a company with no face. That's why you all need to put your money where your mouth is. Want to support ownership? Buy physical. Or at least don't support Stadia.