apple/google vs epic mobile warfare where is nikkom when you need him

[Nautilus]

DonFerrari said:

Nautilus said:

Cars have 1 or 2 year warranty. And that dosen't cover everything. Once that expires, your own your own. You can have a insurance for your car, but you pay a monthly fee for it, not much different than a platform cut.You don't have a leg to stand on this example, I'm sorry.

There are cars that have 5 or even 7 years of warranty.

Apple doesn`t even go over 1 year, and they do very lousy practices like the battery one. You pay an insurance for theft or accident, how does apple cover that for you?

And it's Apple business, they can do whatever they want with it. You own the device, not it's services. If you want it's services, you not to abide by it's rules. This is something you know, or should know, going into it. It's not unfair, it's their property and their rules. They are not making anyone hostage.

Nope it isn`t their property, you paid for the HW and with that the SW inside, it is yours to do what you wish. The fact that they do all they can to prevent it show they are the scums. If you want the service of anyone that Apple didn`t agreed (and got a cut) on your device paid with your money you can`t. That again would be like a car company saying if you don`t fuel on their gas station you can`t ask for warranty (they try that with the preventive maintenance during warranty period, that have been made null and void at least in Brazil, as long as you can prove you done the preventive maintenance they can`t say you don`t have a right for the warranty, and it covers all defects, just don`t cover consumables.

Apple dosen't need to do what it does, but it wants to do it because it work. It's not a matter of right or wrong. It's their freedom to choose how they run their business. It owuld be the same to say that you don't "allow" me to run my shop the way I want it. As long as I am not breaking any law, it's my shop and I do what I want with it, even if it means bankrupting it, if that's what I want.

Of course it is a matter of right or wrong, your are saying they are right in doing it, because no one here said they can`t (because well they are doing it). Monopolistic behavior is a breach of law, several ToS are against law, same as EuLAs, reason why they are overruled all the time.

Sure, and there are car manufacturers that give 6 months warranty. The "warranty" goes into the final price.Those cars with 5 or 7 years warranty is those that wayyyyyy over many users salary here. No business is here to lose money.Apple dosen't cover anything for me, and it shouldn't. They are not my parents or babysitters. If I want a warranty, i'll pay for one, not have one charged upfront for me in the cost of the cellphone. Companies aren't charities, for gods sake.

"Nope it isn`t their property" What? You paid for the phone, you can do whatever the hell you want with it.With the physical product. But the service you "rent" it. You sign a contract for godness sake. You guys are so entitled. If you don't agree with their services, go buy a phone from a different company. That's the beauty of competition. Your example is horrible once again. The difference betwenn that example and a service is that you are responsible for the car function and well being, while the Operating System is on Apple's side. It's apples and oranges.I mean, you can't even compare them. It's two different m,arkets, with different rules, different enviroments.

They aren't a monopoly, so there is no breach of law. As someone said here, when you include every single mobile platform, Apple makes for less than 25% of the market share. Don, I would love to pay cheaper for things, or even for free as you all seem to be dreaming about(if Apple didn't charge that 30%), but not only that won't be happening ever, but it's also not fair. Apple is a company, and as a company it wants money. And yes, the most money it can get away with. But more than that, keeping a platform like IOS running and running so well costs alot of money.

Things like these always reming me how much of a headache it is to sell stuff to the final customer. They always think they are entitled to every possible right imaginable.