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Shadow1980 said:

Longer battery life is always a good thing. One thing that bugs me about playing on PS4 is the controller having integrated batteries, and I don't have a good setup to have the controller plugged in if it runs low and keep playing. Sometimes I forget to recharge it overnight, only to have to stop playing part way through my next session when I realize the battery is almost dead. A longer battery life would alleviate this issue on PS5.

Though my personal preference would be for Sony to release a model of their controller that utilizes regular AA batteries. I always have a supply of rechargeable NiMH AAs for various things around the house, and I'd much rather take the few seconds to swap batteries out and get right back to playing.

I prefer to have 2 controls so from time to time I can do some multiplayer. Plus if the control had a higher battery life it would change the fact that you forget to charge it.

Probably costs more over time to purchase new rechargeables than to just have a second controller, or just put it to charge and watch something else, or play with it charging either with a bigger cable or putting on a usb outlet near your couch.

If swapeable batteries was something so many PS owners wanted probably several third parties would have offered controllers with it.



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So essentially double the capacity DualShock 4 v1. Not too shabby.

Hopefully its a bit more energy efficient than older controllers with BT5.0 and other hardware like DAC's and other chips. Though with all the extra features, like built in Mic, adaptive triggers etc it might drain a bit more in other areas. But yeah, hoping for at least double (or close to) the battery of the DS4.



ArchangelMadzz said:
I'm sure these controllers use more power, but definitely not 75% more power.

And we don't know the differences in power efficiency too. Overall good news.

If the assumption that polling frequency and the associated wireless transfer through bluetooth (BT2.1+EDR) is the main reason of the DS4 draining it's battery as fast as it does is correct, then the DSense could have a big advantage there, as newer BT standards are a lot more power efficient - based on feature set BT5.2 might be a great fit for the DSe, but it hasn't been announced which one is used.



I'm shamefully bad with electricity, but doesn't higher voltage mean the battery is capable of discharging more quickly, i.e. it can empty more quickly? If so, wouldn't actual battery life increase be more along the lines of 'just' 37 %?

Last edited by Zkuq - on 13 August 2020

Zkuq said:

I'm shamefully bad with electricity, but doesn't higher voltage mean the battery is capable of discharging more quickly, i.e. it can empty more quickly? If so, wouldn't actual battery life increase be more along the lines of 'just' 37 %?

Wouldn`t say so, perhaps with higher tension (voltage) you can use less current (amperes). I would say the tension is just a matter of differential and average "system size" so I would only account the difference in mAh.

But same as you my worst subject in physics was electricity so I could be wrong as well.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Shadow1980 said:

When it comes to controllers, I buy on an as-needed basis, especially considering how, unlike software, they've gotten progressively more expensive over time. I've never actually bought a second controller for a single PlayStation system I've ever owned, except to replace ones that fell apart on me (which I've done once for my PS4), as I've only ever had PS systems for certain single-player games (well, except Destiny for about the first 15 months after it came out, but it doesn't support local split-screen play). I have bought extra controllers for several of my Nintendo systems as well as my 360 & XBO as I've done a lot of co-op and local MP on those systems.

I just always preferred controllers with rechargeable AA batteries because of how quick I can swap them out, plus I can use those batteries for other things around the house besides game controllers, so the money feels better invested in something with more versatile utilitarian value and greater convenience. Also, if an integrated battery died permanently you may need to just replace the whole device, depending on how easy it is to replace said battery. When I first bought my 360, I initially used one of those Play & Charge kits, which while removable still needed to be plugged in, and at $20 it was a bit pricey to me for something that's only good for using on that one device. Once rechargeable NiMH AAs got cheap and readily available, I ditched the P&C kit and never looked back (it also saved a ton of money on batteries for Wii Remotes). I liked that I had that as an option.

Still, with the PS5 having a longer battery life that means more play sessions before my forgetful self has to recharge it after it runs out of power.

Maybe I just need to invest in a longer cord. Do good-quality USB cords compatible with PlayStation controllers come in 20-foot/6-meter length?

I find there controller wears out way before the battery. Especially the gripiness and texture of the left thumb sticks and also goes loose over time.

Btw its quite easy to replace battery of the DS4. All you need is a small screwdriver, something to pry the controller open and a few minutes of your time. I personally haven't needed to but here's a quick video I found on Youtube -

I'm looking at bigger packs like 2000/2200mah on Aliexpress to replace my old ones when they go bad. Hopefully the DualSense allows for this as well. But if the battery is good enough I probably won't have to.

Last edited by hinch - on 14 August 2020

Intrinsic said:
Damn those leaking batteries. Hopefully, they don't explode.

Jokes aside... Don't think they are wanting to make that mistake again.

I mean 9.6~ million batteries that got recalled back in 2006ish...
https://www.engadget.com/2006-10-19-sony-battery-recall-approaches-10-million-costs-mounting.html

Or the exploding PSP batteries currently.
https://www.thegamer.com/old-psp-batteries-exploding/

shikamaru317 said:

It's nice, but it's worth noting that PS5's controller may use more power than PS4's due to the added features like haptic feedback, resistance motors in the triggers, and the microphone. Also, it still might not be possible to fully disable the light bar. So even with the bigger battery, battery life might not increase much over PS4. We'll have to wait and see.

This. We need to wait for battery life benchmarks to get a proper gauge of battery life.

DonFerrari said:

I prefer to have 2 controls so from time to time I can do some multiplayer. Plus if the control had a higher battery life it would change the fact that you forget to charge it.

Probably costs more over time to purchase new rechargeables than to just have a second controller, or just put it to charge and watch something else, or play with it charging either with a bigger cable or putting on a usb outlet near your couch.

If swapeable batteries was something so many PS owners wanted probably several third parties would have offered controllers with it.

The best approach would be to have both options at once to cater to all tastes.

Having a Lithium pack that can be dropped out for a AA battery pack would be ideal... But also prefer to have them both included when you purchase a controller or console rather than as a separate accessory.

There are definitely "Pros" to using rechargeable AA batteries, such as hot-swappable battery packs, but there is the convenience of a built in lithium pack too.

Personally for system longevity I would prefer AA, we are talking decades here, rather not have to resort to cables when the system is relegated to "retro" status and no longer receives components are support from the manufacturer.

Zkuq said:

I'm shamefully bad with electricity, but doesn't higher voltage mean the battery is capable of discharging more quickly, i.e. it can empty more quickly? If so, wouldn't actual battery life increase be more along the lines of 'just' 37 %?

Voltage is essentially the extent which electrical charge wants to push from the positive side to the negative side, so a battery that operates at higher voltages, exerts more force on the electric charge, which may end up in the charge essentially moving faster depending on what is connected between the terminals.
Some circuits will permit charge to flow faster with an increase in voltage, but some will retain a constant current, whilst some may even respond to less current at higher voltage.

Electricity can be a complex thing.

In short, even with the higher voltage, there is still a substantial increase in overall energy capacity in this new lithium pack.

hinch said:

I find there controller wears out way before the battery. Especially the gripiness and texture of the left thumb sticks and also goes loose over time.

Btw its quite easy to replace battery of the DS4. All you need is a small screwdriver, something to pry the controller open and a few minutes of your time. I personally haven't needed to but here's a quick video I found on Youtube -

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I'm looking at bigger packs like 2000/2200mah on Aliexpress to replace my old ones when they go bad. Hopefully the DualSense allows for this as well. But if the battery is good enough I probably won't have to.

"Simple" is all relative... This is relatively complex to other alternatives and some individuals may not feel comfortable dissembling their device.
I mean, it's far far simpler to swap the batteries from the Xbox One, just slide the back cover off and away you go.

Even the WiiU Gamepad is just a single screw, removal of a back plate and a swap of the lithium pack... Still more complex than the Xbox One, but much simpler than the Playstation 4.




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Hiku said:
S.Peelman said:

Then I don’t know, as far as I understood it the standby mode sets the system in standby for I think 4 hours (but it could be 3, doesn’t matter) during which time your controllers will charge if you plug them in. In any case if the bricking story is true then that’s also something that needs to be fixed.

Oh, yeah 4 hours sounds like more than enough to charge the controller. Could there be an issue with leaving the controller to be charged while it's already fully charged? Maybe that can have an effect on the battery. Though I don't imagine it would cause it to be empty the next day.

Have you tested if the controller actually charges properly in standby mode? By either checking it as soon as it's fully charged, and do it a couple of times in case the problem happens inconsistently. Or start charging it normally while the PS4 is on, and then see if you get the same issue with low battery when you turn on the controller the next day.

I'm afraid I only have theories. I never accurately tested what happens when I leave them plugged in after standby mode ends (or, if the PS4's just shut down) versus what happens when I have them unplugged for the same amount of time. They do charge in standby mode, some at least, but again I never tested where they're at when standby mode ends. So yeah, I'm afraid I still only have theories.



Shadow1980 said:
DonFerrari said:

I prefer to have 2 controls so from time to time I can do some multiplayer. Plus if the control had a higher battery life it would change the fact that you forget to charge it.

Probably costs more over time to purchase new rechargeables than to just have a second controller, or just put it to charge and watch something else, or play with it charging either with a bigger cable or putting on a usb outlet near your couch.

If swapeable batteries was something so many PS owners wanted probably several third parties would have offered controllers with it.

When it comes to controllers, I buy on an as-needed basis, especially considering how, unlike software, they've gotten progressively more expensive over time. I've never actually bought a second controller for a single PlayStation system I've ever owned, except to replace ones that fell apart on me (which I've done once for my PS4), as I've only ever had PS systems for certain single-player games (well, except Destiny for about the first 15 months after it came out, but it doesn't support local split-screen play). I have bought extra controllers for several of my Nintendo systems as well as my 360 & XBO as I've done a lot of co-op and local MP on those systems.

I just always preferred controllers with rechargeable AA batteries because of how quick I can swap them out, plus I can use those batteries for other things around the house besides game controllers, so the money feels better invested in something with more versatile utilitarian value and greater convenience. Also, if an integrated battery died permanently you may need to just replace the whole device, depending on how easy it is to replace said battery. When I first bought my 360, I initially used one of those Play & Charge kits, which while removable still needed to be plugged in, and at $20 it was a bit pricey to me for something that's only good for using on that one device. Once rechargeable NiMH AAs got cheap and readily available, I ditched the P&C kit and never looked back (it also saved a ton of money on batteries for Wii Remotes). I liked that I had that as an option.

Still, with the PS5 having a longer battery life that means more play sessions before my forgetful self has to recharge it after it runs out of power.

Maybe I just need to invest in a longer cord. Do good-quality USB cords compatible with PlayStation controllers come in 20-foot/6-meter length?

I'm single console player so sure for me it is a lot easier to justify a second controller (that usually I only buy like 2 years after the console) than for you that have PS as a complementary console for some specific games (and you used to AA on Xbox may not only make you prefer that but also more forgetful about charging your DS, it is very understandable). I can certainly see why you and some others would like the option, but considering the bigger market don't seem to really care I don't think Sony will change it, as I said I didn't even seem 3rd party controllers with AA on them.

In Brazil the AA rechargeables aren't cheap (at least the good ones), and I have been opening my controllers to clean ever since Genesis so I'm used to it, but yep DS4 seem to be very easy (but could be even easier). Sony sure could make a intermediary solution, instead of AA batteries they could just make the compartment of battery open with a button press or similar and you can change the battery and then sell battery pack and charger. Would probably make some money on this.

Well I have 3m USB cables that are good enough, never looked for a 6m, like even my tv is just 6ft away from my couch.

Shadow1980 said:
hinch said:

I find there controller wears out way before the battery. Especially the gripiness and texture of the left thumb sticks and also goes loose over time.

The material of the thumbstick wearing out is why I had to replace mine.

hinch said:

Btw its quite easy to replace battery of the DS4. All you need is a small screwdriver, something to pry the controller open and a few minutes of your time. I personally haven't needed to but here's a quick video I found on Youtube -

Huh. Neat. I would have guessed it was something a lot more complicated. I'm not good with fixing anything with computers, but this actually doesn't look too difficult.

Hey man, couldn't you just have saved some money bying the rubber for the analog? I have one weared off here that my son use, have seem these rubbers for sale but haven`t bought and replaced it myself to see how good they are.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Zkuq said:

I'm shamefully bad with electricity, but doesn't higher voltage mean the battery is capable of discharging more quickly, i.e. it can empty more quickly? If so, wouldn't actual battery life increase be more along the lines of 'just' 37 %?

No. Higher voltage means there is something new inside the DualSense that requires a higher voltage to operate reliably than some stuff inside the old controller. It doesn't say anything about the mA required for this (though rumours have it that haptics requires less mA than rumble).

Any discussion about "How much longer will the DualSense last" is pointless as there is no information (yet) about power draw.