The Switch has really thrown off how you count generations and market share, but so long as the current Switch is being produced, PS5 will never reach 50%.

PS5 may reach 50% by technicality when the Switch 2 comes out, but how that happens (and whether that lasts) depends on when the Switch 2 comes out, and whether it can match Switch’s appeal.

Why ignore the Switch?

Of course not. The only reason the PS4 got that kind of marketshare( I think it was much bigger than that. It was like 70% compared to the 8th gen consoles(WiiU, XOne and PS4), is because MS and especially Nintendo screwed up.Badly.

The Switch already has a 60 million units advantage, and it's accelerating. For as good as the PS5 ends up being, it will never reach that kind of marketshare with Nintendo on their A game.

I view it as last gen.
Last gen Nintendo released 2 consoles, the Wii U, and then afterwards the Switch.
Part of the issue is sony & xbox gens are so long, and nintendo ended the wii u early to launch a new one.
Switch is a in between sort of thingy.

I don't understand the mentality of excluding Nintendo here... they are all console manufacturers, they all are direct competitors, just with different products....

Some people do some crazy mental gymnastics here.

No, Nintendo released only the Wii U as their 8th gen console. Switch is Nintendo 9th gen system, it is their 9th family system that they have produced since they began making consoles. It's stupid to think otherwise.

And why would Sony and MS determine when a gen starts and not Nintendo?

welcome to this stupid round about, discussion again again, nautilus.

Generation = a grouping belong together.

Your useing a differnt meaning of the word than I am.
You just use nr of release from nintendo = gen of nintendo console it belongs too.

Which is fair, but I talk about the hardware as in a general sense.
This generation (hardware releaseing around the same time).

Switch released along while ago, and competed against the PS4/XB1.

Impossible to ignore the Switch, so no, I don't see it happening with Nintendo's sales going up, and then there's the possibility that MS will take market share back.

But when the PS5/XSX release they'll also be competing with the Switch. It really kinda messed things up with how people will group these consoles together in the future, especially if Switch 2 doesn't release until 2023/4.

The only reason why people think generations are coupled together is because the industry almost always moved together. But that's not the case anymore.

Due to an absolute need to have a new console, Nintendo jump started the 9th gen when it released the Switch. And so Nintendo 9th gen console started. It's not a different meaning to the word you used, I just used it the correct way.

Even if you want to use the word in the context of sales, since you brought up the point of the Switch competing with the PS4 and X One, when the PS5 and Series X eventually launches, what will become of your argument? The Switch will not be teleported into a vacuum and suddenly have no competitors. It will compete with the PS5 and the Series X. By YOUR own definition, the Switch by november of this year, should then be considered a 9th gen console, because it will be fighting against Sony and MS new systems.

People forget that, even if Nintendo launched way earlier than anyone else their 9th gen system, it will still be the only Nintendo system on the market to compete with the other companies. It's a simple math. And much as the PS5 and the Series X is a 9th gen, so is the Switch. There is absolutely no way to confuse this.