Going the lenght... is the console sales important or not to MS? From Phil statements for me they don't care or focus on that anymore (probably because they can't claim a win on it and stopped giving numbers since the "nearing 10M sales") and are looking on how to expand GP and make XCloud the future. So I'm not saying Phil was lying on this, but that people that say that isn't what he mean are the ones on the wrong.

And about PC releases impacting sales of Xbox consoles well you are going to disprove Major Nelson himself, and possibly his intel on this is better than yours.

But don't try to defend the two standards of Phil Spencer on locking people out due to generation or device then later paying for exclusives, he have been complaining about paid exclusive ever since he had a hard time doing it after Tomb Raider because of the disparity on userbase, but he never stopped doing it for real. He is just the "good guy" to promote himself and cry over competition.

Since when is a standalone spin-off meant to be flagship? Even more, Spiderman was a first release by Insomniac and the company was recently bought, plus the spin-off is coming not that long after the release of the previous one. Trying to compare it with Halo Infinite is trying to favour Xbox the most, and still Miles Morales still looks better than Halo and Sony didn't need to tout it as being built ground up to PS5 or that they have the strongest system ever... guess which company needed to "listen closely" after backlash from fanbase?

"The most ambitious campaign", seem like you took straight from MS playbook, a lot of hype and then where is the game to show it?

And we haven't seem the people that have been attacking Goopy for the last couple months saying Halo Infinite would look next-gen and not be held up at all by the Xbox One version right?

I'm pretty sure that before this event people were expecting Halo Infinite to be a showcase of the power of Xbox Series X, it is the main title of Xbox since it inception.

Hey, launch for launch, say what you will how Halo Infinite looks. It has a lot more going on then PS5s launch flagship Spiderman MM. One is the most ambitious campaign world created, the other is a generous DLC expansion of the 2018 game. Like Metro: Sams Journey DLC to compare. One will have a massively popular multiplayer, the other is SP only. Spiderman or not it’s locked to one platform, as is Halo where it counts (consoles) but available elsewhere. 

As someone who didn’t like how Halo 5s campaign turned out, I am happy that they nailed the art, music, gunplay, and story. Do I care about its look? Sure. But it sure as hell ain’t a deal breaker, not even close. 

Yup. Saying this is him saying. We don't know why we made a console. You don't need to buy it. Reminds me when Nintendo said Gamecube had no competition. We're not competing but made a console to compete anyway was the jib they gave in 2001. Seeing it again with MS.

I would disagree that selling games on Steam is making customers. It's just making a quick and easy buck on the side. And that's it. Has nothing to do with making customers. Because, at least from my point of view, the customers are the people who are locked in to your offerings long-term. Those people who pay you the money for every game you sell. So, you can't really compare the engagement in Xbox ecosystem of the guy who just bought a game on Steam with someone who owns an Xbox. Yet, your post implies that they are equal to MS. I think that you don't need to be a businessman to understand that selling consoles (which means locking someone to your ecosystem) is way more preferable for MS than to just sell games on Steam. The second problem with that is something that is really hard for me to understand but it is just how things are for some reason, but MS decision to bring games to PC is seen as a huge negative in gaming community. I personally think that just by doing this, MS heavily limits their potential userbase, just because gaming community is dumb enough to see it as a negative thing which is always brought up when Xbox discussion takes place.

Spiderman MM is not really a flagship, everybody knows it will not be a full sized title. It's just an additional draw. If you want to compare flagships, the new Horizon is it. And the inevitable God Of War 2, and other sequels and new IPs from highly regarded Sony studios.

Unless you tell me Gow2 and HZD2 are launch titles day 1, I think you see the point I was making. Is there a bigger day 1 title then Spiderman MM? 

Doesn't really matter, that doesn't make Spiderman MM the flagship, unless you want to claim Knack was flagship for PS4.

Unless you tell me Gow2 and HZD2 are launch titles day 1, I think you see the point I was making. Is there a bigger day 1 title then Spiderman MM? 

I figured that belonged to Killzone SF.