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sales2099 said:
Dante9 said:

Spiderman MM is not really a flagship, everybody knows it will not be a full sized title. It's just an additional draw. If you want to compare flagships, the new Horizon is it. And the inevitable God Of War 2, and other sequels and new IPs from highly regarded Sony studios.

Unless you tell me Gow2 and HZD2 are launch titles day 1, I think you see the point I was making. Is there a bigger day 1 title then Spiderman MM? 

Its not just about the launch titles, though. People pick one next gen console over the other based on the promise of what's to come. Sony maybe didn't have games like Uncharted 4 and Bloodborne ready at launch, but they did show them almost from the very beginning. It gets people excited, creates a desire and it works, even if people have to wait 1 or 2 years to actually play them. Sony will do the exact same thing with GOW2, HZW and whatever else they'll show in August.

With MS's strategy it will just be a lot harder to get us hyped for next gen the way Sony's games will. I mean Halo Infinite did pretty much the opposite. I think it looked like a great game, but did it really make me want to rush out and buy a Series X at launch? Not really, I'm afraid.

The way things are, they are practically giving Sony a 2-year head start for building a next gen install base. By then most people have either bought a ps5 or want to buy a ps5 because their buddies are all playing on it. MS is fine with that as they're banking on GP, but a small install base typically means too much risk for AAA exclusives and less overall support from developers. 

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sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

Doesn't really matter, that doesn't make Spiderman MM the flagship, unless you want to claim Knack was flagship for PS4.

I figured that belonged to Killzone SF. 

It was a graphical showcase and somewhat of a technical demonstration of the PS4 power, but I wouldn't say it was a flagship. Guerilla Games weren't that well regarded and selling major numbers before Horizon, Killzone had good scores and grahpics but not that high sales.



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Having a console war for fun is fine but taking it seriously like some fans do is silly. As long as you get what you want on the console you want why care what other people think of your console of choice.

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DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

I figured that belonged to Killzone SF. 

It was a graphical showcase and somewhat of a technical demonstration of the PS4 power, but I wouldn't say it was a flagship. Guerilla Games weren't that well regarded and selling major numbers before Horizon, Killzone had good scores and grahpics but not that high sales.

Well yes I’m aware I’m just thinking of that one game that is day 1 associated with buying the console. In that regard it was KZ. Like how Ryse or Forza 5 depending on who you ask was associated with Xbox One. Looks like It’s essentially Halo up against Spiderman, despite their differences. Both will be the day 1 face of the console. 



 

 

goopy20 said:
sales2099 said:

Unless you tell me Gow2 and HZD2 are launch titles day 1, I think you see the point I was making. Is there a bigger day 1 title then Spiderman MM? 

Its not just about the launch titles, though. People pick one next gen console over the other based on the promise of what's to come. Sony maybe didn't have games like Uncharted 4 and Bloodborne ready at launch, but they did show them almost from the very beginning. It gets people excited, creates a desire and it works, even if people have to wait 1 or 2 years to actually play them. Sony will do the exact same thing with GOW2, HZW and whatever else they'll show in August.

With MS's strategy it will just be a lot harder to get us hyped for next gen the way Sony's games will. I mean Halo Infinite did pretty much the opposite. I think it looked like a great game, but did it really make me want to rush out and buy a Series X at launch? Not really, I'm afraid.

The way things are, they are practically giving Sony a 2-year head start for building a next gen install base. By then most people have either bought a ps5 or want to buy a ps5 because their buddies are all playing on it. MS is fine with that as they're banking on GP, but a small install base typically means too much risk for AAA exclusives and less overall support from developers. 

What you are saying is essentially marketing. Each one needs to market the potential. In that regard I’d say Sony has the advantage. MS has the on paper but for some reason isn’t translating that enough. That said even though they were CG trailers, I can see people being excited at the return of Fable and Obsidian making their own Skyrim on Xbox only. 



 

 

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sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

It was a graphical showcase and somewhat of a technical demonstration of the PS4 power, but I wouldn't say it was a flagship. Guerilla Games weren't that well regarded and selling major numbers before Horizon, Killzone had good scores and grahpics but not that high sales.

Well yes I’m aware I’m just thinking of that one game that is day 1 associated with buying the console. In that regard it was KZ. Like how Ryse or Forza 5 depending on who you ask was associated with Xbox One. Looks like It’s essentially Halo up against Spiderman, despite their differences. Both will be the day 1 face of the console. 

Ok, so yes calling it a flagship is wrong, but we both can agree that so far MS wants Halo to be the reason to want an Xbox (be it One or Series X) and Sony is with Spiderman MM, unless in the next couple months they show more stuff.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

Well yes I’m aware I’m just thinking of that one game that is day 1 associated with buying the console. In that regard it was KZ. Like how Ryse or Forza 5 depending on who you ask was associated with Xbox One. Looks like It’s essentially Halo up against Spiderman, despite their differences. Both will be the day 1 face of the console. 

Ok, so yes calling it a flagship is wrong, but we both can agree that so far MS wants Halo to be the reason to want an Xbox (be it One or Series X) and Sony is with Spiderman MM, unless in the next couple months they show more stuff.

Fair enough, yes my flagship label was wrong. I just meant “day 1 face of the console”. 



 

 

sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

Ok, so yes calling it a flagship is wrong, but we both can agree that so far MS wants Halo to be the reason to want an Xbox (be it One or Series X) and Sony is with Spiderman MM, unless in the next couple months they show more stuff.

Fair enough, yes my flagship label was wrong. I just meant “day 1 face of the console”. 

As much as I don't care about Halo and it is crossgen and Spiderman have sold more than it this gen, I would guess Halo have more power to move Series X than MM to move PS5. Thankfully first couple to 6 months people buy because of loyalty or future shows so it may not affect much the sales.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

Fair enough, yes my flagship label was wrong. I just meant “day 1 face of the console”. 

As much as I don't care about Halo and it is crossgen and Spiderman have sold more than it this gen, I would guess Halo have more power to move Series X than MM to move PS5. Thankfully first couple to 6 months people buy because of loyalty or future shows so it may not affect much the sales.

Yup that’s how it goes. Brand power spillover from this gen is going to play a much bigger role. Halo Infinite can be the best looking game I’ve ever seen, that ain’t gonna help much in Europe/Japan. 



 

 

sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

As much as I don't care about Halo and it is crossgen and Spiderman have sold more than it this gen, I would guess Halo have more power to move Series X than MM to move PS5. Thankfully first couple to 6 months people buy because of loyalty or future shows so it may not affect much the sales.

Yup that’s how it goes. Brand power spillover from this gen is going to play a much bigger role. Halo Infinite can be the best looking game I’ve ever seen, that ain’t gonna help much in Europe/Japan. 

I don't remember you doing it in the forum, but I find it curious that almost no game on the MS show had a release date but we have had some of the Xbox fans saying MS stopped showing games over 1 year before release in this gen and complaining of Sony doing it, now they haven't complained MS done it.

Myself I love that we get early announcements and know what is to come.

Europe with several countries in crysis may be fertile ground for Gamepass and in near future Xcloud.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994