That’s quite the conclusion to jump to. Xbox essentially eliminated the “Halo Gears Forza” narrative and was now replaced with “Xbox games are CG no gameplay”. That’s a win, because the new narrative you guys cooked up...it’s temporary. They will have gameplay, it’s inevitable. Also guarantees mid gen Xbox support. Usually Xbox exclusives taper off, now we know they will have a steady stream of exclusives all gen long. Given this logic I simply see your point of view as short sighted and judging at a glance. 

Also just because we didn’t see their whole portfolio, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Gears Tactics and Flight SIM for Series X, Age of Empires 3/4, Battletoads, Wasteland 3, Forza Horizon 5. Long term games like InXiles AAA rpg and The Initiatives IP. 

Xbox eliminates the Halo Gears Forza narrative. They eliminate the “Xbox has no exclusives in the mid/late gen” narrative. Lockhart will have the price advantage Xbox One didn’t have in 2013. Series X will have the power advantage among non cross gen games. Game Pass is an insane deal that Sony won’t do unless they desperate to compete. 

Funny you came to a different conclusion because “mah trailers too much CG”. Huh. 

The real funny thing is that you keep ignoring the warnings people have told you since the begining. That gamepass can only lead to one outcome as it needs to be profitable. Games would need to be lower in scope and ambition so they can give them out for dirt cheap in gamepass. Everything aside from the already trio seems smaller in scale or nothing was shown aside from a trailer. 

Your argument has been the same for years now. Just wait and hope, wait till next show, studios just got bought gota give them time, they wont be good at launch but they will get better, wait wait wait.

Xbox fans have been waiting for 6 years since Phil took over and still have to wait? At some point you gota be honest with yourself. Just look at the cgi trailers for halo to what you got now. What on earth gives you hope that any if the other cgi trailers would be any diferent?

The real funny thing is that you keep ignoring the warnings people have told you since the begining. That gamepass can only lead to one outcome as it needs to be profitable. Games would need to be lower in scope and ambition so they can give them out for dirt cheap in gamepass. Everything aside from the already trio seems smaller in scale or nothing was shown aside from a trailer. 

Your argument has been the same for years now. Just wait and hope, wait till next show, studios just got bought gota give them time, they wont be good at launch but they will get better, wait wait wait.

Xbox fans have been waiting for 6 years since Phil took over and still have to wait? At some point you gota be honest with yourself. Just look at the cgi trailers for halo to what you got now. What on earth gives you hope that any if the other cgi trailers would be any diferent?

Your GP concern isn’t your problem as a gamer. It’s your job as a gamer to take advantage of you are so inclined. It’s an insane deal. You don’t know how it works, their revenue stream behind closed doors, plan and roadmap. You take advantage of the value or you don’t. But don’t make any false concerns that it isn’t sustainable. 

The important thing is that Halo Gears Forza narrative is dead. We have a ton of variety now. You say “wait this wait that” and you right to a degree. But the flip side is that Xbox getting exclusives all gen long. Another narrative destroyed. 

Bold: I can only confidently claim complete faith in Obsidian. Maybe Playground given Forza Horizon quality. Obsidian is a master of their craft. They made arguably the best Fallout with New Vegas. They made Outer Worlds when Bethesda makes Fallout 76. And now they taking their sweet time with Elder Scrolls 6 Obsidian decides to do it themselves too. They have no longer to worry about financials or budgets under Ms. Avowed is obsidian unleashed, making games for gamers. And I don’t need to see gameplay to be completely stoked at what they can do. 

Maybe there wouldn't be so many anti-Xbox people if Microsoft hadn't completely dropped the ball then screwed the pooch that tried to pick it up the entire last generation of consoles. There's a reason the Xbox Brand means nothing over the last few years. They really should go third party. Publish on PC and PS5. BAM, done. No more issues.

Nah, this site has always been a bastion of anti-xbox users even before Xbox One. Don't try to hide behind the veil of MS "screwing the pooch", A lot of your kind would reject MS regardless of what MS does. MS could literally become a carbon copy of Sony and you'd still shit on them. At least be honest and say you just hate MS/Xbox, I'd have a little more respect for you all if you were just honest with your fanboyism up front than trying to hide it

Ah yes, the perennial "I have an Xbox, Xbox 360, and Xbox One" so that somehow supposed to make others think I'm not a fanboy. You aren't fooling anybody. 

Ah yes, the perennial tribalistic nonsense. 

dude, I have an Xbox, an Xbox 360, and an Xbox One. I have more games on my 360 than I did on PS2, and while of the three console manufacturers Microsoft is the least interesting to me, I always want them to do well. why? Because Sony and Nintendo fuck up when they don't have competition. Why? Because I have all the consoles and I just wanna see some variety on my shelf. I want to see different game styles and different genres and different stories and unique ideas regardless of what console its on because all consoles have their pros and cons. 

But you seem to think I have it out for Microsoft and Xbox, therefore I hate everything they do. Could it possibly be that, over the last 10 years, Microsoft has done nothing to impress me? Wouldn't it make a whole lot more sense that the reason I don't care about the Xbox Brand is not some tribalistic nonsense but the very real fact that they have nothing to offer? I want them to succeed, I've been giving them chances ever since I got the Xbox 360, and they keep letting me down. WHY? Because all they have for high-ranking, hiqh-quality, best-selling games is the holy trinity of Halo, Forza, and Gears. They've got other stuff, too, but it doesn't sell, it doesn't get good reviews, and it's not unique enough to interest me. 

Their output is pretty homogenized. It's all so very 'western', with very little room for deviation. I'll go one further and say "Americanized". Not just western, because European culture is considered western as well, when compared to asian cultures, but American. GUNS AND CARS. IT's all very centralized, and like I said there's not much in terms of colour or experimentation. The only time Microsoft game studios really branch out (again, Ori and Cuphead), they end up on Nintendo's console and/or PC. 

The issue here is that Microsoft doesn't have anything to offer and hasn't for a very long time. I don't hate Microsoft (I wouldn't go with anyone else for my PC interface/OS), I just think that they have very little to offer someone who doesn't like Shooting games or Racing games. and nothing about this presentation made me feel any different. their hardware is generic and they lack any sense of identity. Nintendo tried new quirky things like motion controls and portable gaming, whereas Sony just keeps things simple as well. When it comes to performance and specs, the PS4 and Xbox One are virtually identical, so what's the key difference? Games. And Sony has a whoooooooole lot more than Microsoft when it comes to quality, quantity, and variety. 

That's why this presentation was so underwhelming. Nothing seems different. Nothing seems new. It just seems like it's the same old nonsense over and over and over again with the same marketing strategies and same bullshit 'exclusive' definition. It's all fluff, it's all hot air. Until the games come out, I don't believe any of them are going to revolutionize the industry. 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Microsoft has nothing to offer that I can't get elsewhere. They have a lot of cool ideas, but nothing in their last decade has given me any faith that they'll live up to is potential. without gameplay or deep exploration on what each game looks and plays like outside of the cool concepts shown in a cinematic trailer. This presentation is nothing. Literally everything outside of halo and I think Grounded could have been summed up in a written press release.

What do you get from that fable trailer that can't be summed up in the headline "New fable coming out in the future"? Nothing. It's a new fable. We know nothing about the gameplay, we know nothing about the style. It could be an on-rails shooter for all we know. IT could be hyperrealistic or stylized. it could be a text based RPG or an open world action platformer. We just don't know. the headline "New Fable game announced" is literally all we got from it aside from the fact that it's gonna have a sense of humour, which could be implied by the fact that it's a Fable game. 

"Everwild is Rare's new nature-centric game with a toony style." What more do you get out of the trailer than that single, nondescript headline? 

This presentation was nothing. It told us nothing. It might as well have been a press release for how much it told us about the games contained within it. and THAT is why people are so critical of Microsoft. All fluff and style, no substance. Good ideas without proper execution. Nothing in this presentation or microsoft's last ten years indicates this will be anything but more of the same. Lots of empty promises.

You've got the chain of causality wrong. People don't hate this presentation becuase they hate Microsoft, they hate this presentation because Microsoft didn't do anything to get people's blood pumping.