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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Extra BOLD + Not BOLD Prediction! NSW Will Surpass 3DS/DS Lifetime (Japan)

 

NSW will be....

Under 3DS lifetime 1 2.78%
 
Over 3DS but nowhere near DS 9 25.00%
 
Close to DS (30mil+) 19 52.78%
 
Become #1 (Surpass DS) 7 19.44%
 
Boy Bye!! 0 0%
 
Total:36

Passing the 3DS is a given at the moment IMO. Doing 30 million can be achieved as well, though DS like numbers are IMO out of reach at the moment. I would say anywhere between 28-31 million will be the final tally.



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S.Peelman said:
Beating 3DS would already be an exceptional feat, because that system’s the #3 of all time there. It could happen, DS itself though, I don’t think so.

But is this even a question by this point? I mean the system is flying of shelves as fast as Nintendo can manufacture them.



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hunter_alien said:
S.Peelman said:
Beating 3DS would already be an exceptional feat, because that system’s the #3 of all time there. It could happen, DS itself though, I don’t think so.

But is this even a question by this point? I mean the system is flying of shelves as fast as Nintendo can manufacture them.

Yeap, if 3ds sells close to 6mil this year the gap will be under 500k, add to the fact that 3ds next 3 years did 2.2mil and 1.8/1.9mil each NSW should surpass it easily. This is with massive shortages lol



UnderwaterFunktown said:
tbone51 said:

The gap is closing, was over 3.3mil end of dec and is now under 1.7mil with end of the year possibly making the gap somewhere around 500k difference only quarter aligned

Very true. I'm expecting something similair by january when both the Switch and 3DS have had their holiday months launch aligned. And the Switch will probably take the lead permanently not too long after.

Yeap, I have to look but possibly by Q1 next year 



Hmm I had 30 million as a "maaaaaaybe" in an earlier post but now looking at the 3DS numbers and the fact that it did 24.5 million I could see Switch beating it by 6 million. So I'd say 28 mil is the lowball estimate, 29mil is likely, 30mil definitely a possibility tho not guaranteed, 31mil stretch goal, 32 super stretch goal and only possible if next year Switch does 5+ million again, and I'm still gonna put the DS out of reach.



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Animal Crossing can do most the heavy lifting this year with hopefully two or three other major titles still coming at end of the year. Next year should have a lot more output considering delays for this year. So Nintendo kind of lucked out dropping AC this year because that is a true system seller in Japan and is pretty much the top franchise in Japan now. I don't see sales slowing down in Japan anytime soon.

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sethnintendo said:

Animal Crossing can do most the heavy lifting this year with hopefully two or three other major titles still coming at end of the year. Next year should have a lot more output considering delays for this year. So Nintendo kind of lucked out dropping AC this year because that is a true system seller in Japan and is pretty much the top franchise in Japan now. I don't see sales slowing down in Japan anytime soon.

As of now, lotteries are still a thing and it won’t end before Sept comes. If this is true while maintaining great weekly sales, then they really don’t need any games to push the system.

and your post is missing a major piece.... Ring fit adventure. This game is pushing hardware of the Og model and is the best new up leg game in japan since Pokémon red/blue



I do think Switch will outsell the DS, but it will be close.  Probably in the 35m range +/- 2m.  3DS + Vita is about 31m and they just need to take a few extra million from the PS4 (instead of it going to PS5) and they're there.  (And I'll count the Wii U numbers as overlap between the systems.)

Switch is selling like crazy in Japan, and yet they are still not providing nearly enough.  That means Switch sales are going to be high in Japan next year too.  Projected sales for Switch look something like this:

FY DS 3DS Switch Switch FY
1 2.12 1.06 0.6 2017
2 4.78 4.79 3.78 2018
3 9.12 5.69 3.85 2019
4 6.36 4.35 5.21 2020
5 4.01 3.07 7 2021
6 4.01 2.36 6 2022
7 2.35 1.99 4.5 2023
8 0.23 1.39 3 2024
9 0.01 0.48 0.5 2025
10 0.09 0.46 2026
11+ 0.08 0.1 2027
Total 32.99 25.35 35



The_Liquid_Laser said:

I do think Switch will outsell the DS, but it will be close.  Probably in the 35m range +/- 2m.  3DS + Vita is about 31m and they just need to take a few extra million from the PS4 (instead of it going to PS5) and they're there.  (And I'll count the Wii U numbers as overlap between the systems.)

Switch is selling like crazy in Japan, and yet they are still not providing nearly enough.  That means Switch sales are going to be high in Japan next year too.  Projected sales for Switch look something like this:

FY DS 3DS Switch Switch FY
1 2.12 1.06 0.6 2017
2 4.78 4.79 3.78 2018
3 9.12 5.69 3.85 2019
4 6.36 4.35 5.21 2020
5 4.01 3.07 7 2021
6 4.01 2.36 6 2022
7 2.35 1.99 4.5 2023
8 0.23 1.39 3 2024
9 0.01 0.48 0.5 2025
10 0.09 0.46 2026
11+ 0.08 0.1 2027
Total 32.99 25.35 35

What numbers are those? Nintendo shipments?



RolStoppable said:
Beating the 3DS is merely a common sense prediction.
Getting to 30m lifetime isn't a stretch at all.
Beating the DS has a chance of far more than 1%. I'd put it at 33/67.

2020 is heading for a LTD of 17m by the end of the year. Afterwards we have the usual rundown of price cuts and revisions, but I want to remind people that portable consoles are personalized devices, so selling different colors and special editions is an additional appealing proposition which especially the lower priced Lite model can take advantage of.

Beyond that, what is the Japanese console market going to look like in the coming years? The XSX is bound to be virtually a non-factor, the PS5 won't sell well. So the simple question is whether Japan will continue to buy Switch consoles or if the console market will greatly suffer. I expect the former, so there's still a good bunch of 3-5m years for Switch ahead of us, hence why 30m lifetime won't be hard to reach. If Switch averaged 3m per year from 2021-2024, it would hit ~29m by the end of 2024.

Using medium projections for LTD by the end of...

2020: ~17m
2021: ~21.5m
2022: ~25m
2023: ~28m
2024: ~30m
2025: ~31m
2026: ~31.5m (end of life)

If Nintendo decides to squeeze out everything of Switch in the same way they did it for the 3DS, then Switch will become the #1 console of all time in Japan. Switch is a lot healthier than the 3DS was, so of course it has a far greater ceiling.

Another thing I want to touch up on specifically for 2020/2021 is the fact that even with no software releasing for the rest of the year, people forget its new consumers buying the product. With the massive backlog of sales evergreens and Software, demand is the highest it’s ever been.

this can be thanked by AC of course but another driver that’s really pushing it is RFA, game is sold out as soon as it’s available. A fitness game as well as a jrpg is acting like Pokémon from GB era!

of course there will be new software but we are still in a period where lotteries are happening, not only for HW but for a game as well.

i still think this year won’t satisfy demand and next year will be a spill over especially when hardware is able to ship out as much as they can. We are already well over 3months of shortages lol.

Imo

2020 5.5mil-6mil (depends on how much they ship)

2021 5mil-6mil