Who said anything about a $500 smartphone?

How much is Dad's old phone from 2 years ago? Can it play Minecraft? Is there a simple dock/controller add-on?

We already have 'old' smartphones scattered around the house that aren't phones anymore but are used for music/youtube/Netflix/HDMI-out/Minecraft. Without system selling content, Sony/MS are forced to gamble on new graphics tech every 5 years to stay relevant and hope the consumer appreciates the extra pixels.

What happens when 16 or 8 or even 4K TVs don't become mainstream?

Who killed Sony's HH?

A console killing PC will be super accessible, convenient, affordable compared to past or current desktops ie a smartphone.

Well today. Vita didn't have a ongoing niche. It wasn't a good product and Nintendo dominated the market with 3DS.

But yeah, moving on. Really offtopic now.

Smartphones are PCs.

You basic argument is smartphone killing consoles is is the Vita failing. And somehow connect that to Sony/Microsoft downfall (in particular). Smartphone gaming and consoles gaming do not coincide with each other. If that was the case Nintendo should be worried as well since their main platform is a closer to that of a handheld/smartphone without the rest of the phone. There has been nothing to back up your claim that smartphones have any effect on consoles so nope not going to indulge you by going around in circles.

Anyway I said I was done two times, please stop quoting me.

Nope. I am not confused by what it means.

And just because a product sells to a certain demographic, doesn't mean you cannot use/buy a product from a different market segment, really depends on what the company/business/organizations tender detailing is.

Case in point... The fire station workstation, It is based around LGA 1366 which is a workstation socket backed up by a Xeon EC5509 and Geforce 7050 PCI.

And you are correct, on-board graphics is more than enough for that, but how many LGA 1366/2011/LGA2011-3/LGA2066/SP3 sockets had integrated graphics on the CPU or motherbaords chipset or otherwise? Those are all workstation sockets.

Plus we are at a point now where it seems more CPU lines are dropping integrated graphics, AMD for instance has all it's CPU's without integrated graphics and has a separate line denominated as "G/APU" with that built in capability, Intel is going down the same path...

It's not like Socket AM3+ where you could get a motherboard with an 880G chipset and thus it didn't matter what CPU you bought, you had access to a Radeon 4250 IGP.

I would argue 4k is already mainstream, it's actually difficult not to find a 4k TV for sale at any price point except for the ultra entry-level which is sometimes still littered with the occasional 720P panel, but mostly bargain basement no-name brand 1080P panels.

They are also often only 6-bit displays with FRC to "pretend" they are 8-bit, the colour crush can be pretty bad for games, but okay for regular TV signals with highly compressed interlaced feeds.

8k and 16k I think will take awhile to gain traction, their usefulness though will come into play when the average mid-range TV size extends past 60" and into 80-90" territory... And for that to happen a few technologies need to come into their own.

I don't believe a product segment ever wipes out another, we just reach a point where a successive product just isn't worth the investment... Which is why the Vita and 3DS didn't light the sales charts on fire.

And sometimes you have individuals who will buy a device to consolidate a few others.

But if you build a device that differentiates itself significantly enough and provides something compelling to consumers, case in point... Switch. - Then you will shift hardware, many Switch owners do own other devices like Phones, Tablets, Playstations, PC's, but the Switch itself can supplement all of those as it has experiences that cant be obtained elsewhere.

Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are all here to stay, they have some smart individuals running their respective shows and will adapt to the market rather quickly and take onboard constructive criticism which is healthy to keep competition alive.

I'm more flabbergasted that he even thinks this is some sort of state that is going to be locked down for an entire gen. Like what "victory"?, and even then, it would be a short lived one at that, since PC hw ends up changing rather quickly over time.

See this is why I hate Era and Gaf, because it breeds this stupid console warring mentality, where price/parts are seen as battle ammo, leading to supposed "wins/victories" over something else. It's incredibly dumb and narrow minded. 

Pretty much. Gotta turn everything into a war loll

In this gen, the PS4 gpu was already old when released and costed maybe $150. This time the gpu in Ps5 will probably be worth around $400 and it's unlikely we will see a maxwell moment where pc leaps ahead in performance by much. Advanced is also slowing down, like we can expect 3090/3080 ti be ahead about 80% against pascal high-end. That's 80% performance increase in 4 years.

Look at god of war and The last of us 2, PC can barely keep up. Next-gen by not lagging so far behind PC, we will be graphics king and we will have the best Price/Performance.

Are you a Pc-user or a console gamer?

Well for me 60fps is good enough, I haven't actually tried higher fps, maybe in the old days when we had those bulky big monitors, I think they were called CRT-monitors. But I don't remember how it felt playing back then. But I will probably remember this comment by you as I can probably have some fun with it in the future :)

We are the opposite, only played 2 games on Xbox 360 (Gta 5 and Halo 4). It was when bought geforce 1070 where I couldn't play watch dogs 2 at 60 fps at 1440p I got annoyed, ofc several other things too. When I was planning to upgrade to a i7-7700k, I thought why I'm spending all this money on pc-parts when I can just buy PS4 pro and never have to update again was when I got a console.

It was a little difficult getting into console gaming, barely played anything the first year. Games require you to be able to quickly to press any random 12+ buttons quickly at times and console games has a lot more blurs and greyness that ruins games. My first game on PS4 pro was uncharted 4 I actually got dizzy first time I played it, but not second time or any other games.

Next-gen I want more 60fps games with no blurs or greyness, that would enhance the gaming experience a lot.

DLSS is game changing tech and next gen consoles ain't going to have it. Same for any advanced ray tracing.