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sales2099 on 16 July 2020
DPsx7 said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Because Google is notorious for killing projects that don't immediately bring results.

This. M$ has money too and watching them bring their exclusives to PC under the guise of being 'consumer friendly' tells me they kinda want out of the hardware business. Why waste the money if they can just let people build their own PC and sell games alone? Hardware isn't where the money is made anyhow. Then like I said before first impressions matter. After a couple years of 'meh' you're probably not going to get much attention when the established platforms are moving into a new gen. There's a lot of brand loyalty, people don't want to start over on their friends list, trops/achievements, libraries. Mobile and the Wii captured the casual crowd. Hardcore players will be willing to spend for the new toys. What niche does Stadia hope to find?

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DonFerrari on 16 July 2020
DPsx7 said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Because Google is notorious for killing projects that don't immediately bring results.

This. M$ has money too and watching them bring their exclusives to PC under the guise of being 'consumer friendly' tells me they kinda want out of the hardware business. Why waste the money if they can just let people build their own PC and sell games alone? Hardware isn't where the money is made anyhow. Then like I said before first impressions matter. After a couple years of 'meh' you're probably not going to get much attention when the established platforms are moving into a new gen. There's a lot of brand loyalty, people don't want to start over on their friends list, trops/achievements, libraries. Mobile and the Wii captured the casual crowd. Hardcore players will be willing to spend for the new toys. What niche does Stadia hope to find?

For Nintendo perhaps it would make sense since they are big seller of their own sw and low for 3rd parties. But for MS sales of the platform, GP or similars brings a lot of royalties so even though MS may not care about how many consoles they sell they still care about how many sw is bought within their stores or platforms because of the royalty.



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Otter on 16 July 2020
Darwinianevolution said:
Otter said:
Stadia is a long term investment, not sure why everyone is expecting it to sink or swim in the first year or 2. It has google money behind it and currently isn't trailing any streaming competition that would cause them to pull out.

Right now increasing their offerings and pricing is more important than exclusives

Because Google is notorious for killing projects that don't immediately bring results.

Context matters so Im curious what those other projects are? My immediate presuming is they were either dwarfed by more successful competitors or lacked commercial potential.

The streaming space is new & slow for everyone.



Darwinianevolution on 16 July 2020
Otter said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Because Google is notorious for killing projects that don't immediately bring results.

Context matters so Im curious what those other projects are? My immediate presuming is they were either dwarfed by more successful competitors or lacked commercial potential.

The streaming space is new & slow for everyone.

https://killedbygoogle.com/



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Otter on 16 July 2020
Darwinianevolution said:
Otter said:

Context matters so Im curious what those other projects are? My immediate presuming is they were either dwarfed by more successful competitors or lacked commercial potential.

The streaming space is new & slow for everyone.

https://killedbygoogle.com/

Kind of what I expected, lots of meaningless software & projects where the commercial viability is of big question. The bigger commercial ones like Google Music lasted many years but were clearly being dwarfed by competitors (Spotify/Apple Music).

The whole gaming industry is growing and investing heavily in streaming, its essentially seen as the future. At this moment in time there are no clear front runners, so I wouldn't expect Google to pull out after a rough start since no one is doing much better & the potential is still untapped.



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derpysquirtle64 on 16 July 2020
Leynos said:
shikamaru317 said:

You’d be better off supporting Microsoft’s upcoming xCloud than Googles Stadia. xCloud is better for several reasons: 

-Microsoft doesn’t see it as a replacement for console/PC unlike Google, just a compliment to them.

-Microsoft already has a large 1st party set up, google doesn’t

-Early tests suggest xCloud will have lower latency than Stadia

-Larger playerbase for multiplayer games.

Also in Xcloud you just pay a flat monthly fee rather than paying full price for each rental.

Well, if you want to own games you still have to pay the full price for them. The difference is that once you buy them you can run these games on local hardware anytime if you feel the need for that. 



 

derpysquirtle64 on 16 July 2020
Mnementh said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

Poor these studios, they are in for some hard time.

The bigger problem is not the inferior experience, the bigger problem is that if Stadia gets shut down at some point, all these games will be lost forever.

That is not necessarily the case. Exclusivity tends to matter less over time. Look at former exclusives like Ori, Wonderful 101, Horizon Zero Dawn, Cuphead or Octopath Traveler. So I don't expect these games staying exclusive forever. This also includes already existing Stadia exclusives like Gylt (which is a nice game that you should play once it comes to other platforms).

I definitely hope this will continue to be the case. Not sure who in sane mind will sign for permanent Stadia exclusivity. It's just the waste of efforts. The platform has probably like less than 1% marketshare.



 

Leynos on 16 July 2020
Otter said:
Darwinianevolution said:

https://killedbygoogle.com/

Kind of what I expected, lots of meaningless software & projects where the commercial viability is of big question. The bigger commercial ones like Google Music lasted many years but were clearly being dwarfed by competitors (Spotify/Apple Music).

The whole gaming industry is growing and investing heavily in streaming, its essentially seen as the future. At this moment in time there are no clear front runners, so I wouldn't expect Google to pull out after a rough start since no one is doing much better & the potential is still untapped.

Something can't be the future if it's been around for 25 years and mostly failed for 25 years. The Stadia model already failed with Onlive. Stadia is failing. It;s not the future. It's a failed present.



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Otter on 16 July 2020
Leynos said:
Otter said:

Kind of what I expected, lots of meaningless software & projects where the commercial viability is of big question. The bigger commercial ones like Google Music lasted many years but were clearly being dwarfed by competitors (Spotify/Apple Music).

The whole gaming industry is growing and investing heavily in streaming, its essentially seen as the future. At this moment in time there are no clear front runners, so I wouldn't expect Google to pull out after a rough start since no one is doing much better & the potential is still untapped.

Something can't be the future if it's been around for 25 years and mostly failed for 25 years. The Stadia model already failed with Onlive. Stadia is failing. It;s not the future. It's a failed present.

Thats like saying VR can't succeed in the future because of failed attempts like the virtual boy. Playstation VR has proven that not to be true and its of course only the beginning.

There's obviously a technological synergy which is required for streaming games to succeed, we're not there yet but we're in the early stages. Sony absorbed Onlives patents and Gaikai technology, MS has their service and the two are also collaborating together on Cloud gaming. Streaming isn't going anywhere no matter how much it might scare you. Stadia may not exist in a few years but its also clearly a project that Google will juggle for the medium term because the commercial potential is huge and requires time to exploit.  

People's dislike of streaming shouldn't obstruct their logic. When the time comes when the streaming experience matches physical hardware, it will be no different with what we're seeing now with the transition to digital.  



Leynos on 16 July 2020
Otter said:
Leynos said:

Something can't be the future if it's been around for 25 years and mostly failed for 25 years. The Stadia model already failed with Onlive. Stadia is failing. It;s not the future. It's a failed present.


when the streaming experience matches physical hardware,

Worst take ever. That is so laughable.

As for VR. It was a niche product 30 years ago and it's a niche product now.

Last edited by Leynos - on 16 July 2020

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