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Did Nintendo save gaming with the NES?

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SvennoJ said:
Nautilus said:

For everywhere, really.

First of all, it's not just the "US market', but rather The Americas market. The whole continent.

Second of all, Nintendo proved with the NES that gaming was more than just a "toy" and thus not a fad. The market in the Americas had died, and the European one and Japanese would soon follow after, at the very least the home console(which is like 70% of the market as of right now, give or take), since most big players would not exist without Nintendo. Sega probably wouldn't make the genesis, since that was an answer to the NES, and Sony would also never going to enter the market as a result. And since MS created the XBox only to compete with Sony, that would be a no go.

Plus, like I said, most gaming staples were created by Nintendo and it's 3rd and 4rd gen consoles. Without them, I have no idea how many decades of gaming techniques and design behind we would all be.

Actually MS was behind the MSX platform which is the birthplace of Metal Gear Solid. The MSX did well in Japan and in parts of Europe, but for some reason failed in the USA.

Nintendo on the other hand was seen as the kiddie console where I lived with expensive cartridges and crappy conversions. NES and the 50hz curse... Sony dragged consoles away from the games are for kids stigma back to where they were with Atari, Commodore and Amiga.

Anyway, I was born in '74, been playing games since 1980 and never heard of the video game crash until I moved to NA. Apparently I lived through it without ever noticing it, happily gaming away.

Yeaaaah, kind of.

First of all, gaming was never seen as an "adult hobby" until the 7th gen, let's all be honest here. It was never seen as that during the 2nd gen- Atari - (don't even know where you took that from), and while Sony moved towards that direction, they only really accomplished that "adulthood approved seal" during the 7th gen, since before that it was very much as a kid/teen hobby (even if Nintendo had that reputation of the " for young kids" image, while Sony and MS had that "for teens and 20s "teens"" going for it.)

Second, Nintendo DID prove the industry authenticity and viability, not only bringing it back from the dead, but also getting record breaking sales numbers with it's consoles, games. Not to mention all the new experiences never before seen that it brought to the table, thus proving that it could be more than something to "pass the time"

Anyways, never got this recent trend of trying to downplay the vital role that Nintendo had in rescuying the industry from the blink of destruction.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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TruckOSaurus said:

Once upon a time, Victor Grant was drowning in troubled waters. A few strong swimmers (Nick, Steve and Aaron) were around but were reluctant to hop in to save him since they could very well risk their own skin. In the end, Nick dove in and saved poor Victor. Most people agree Nick saved Victor and thank him for it but others look down on Nick and say he didn't in fact save Victor since if he hadn't jumped in, Steve and Aaron would of instead.

The victor is the one who writes the history.Dosen't make said achievement any less grand

The courage to be the first one to jump is as hard as to be the one to first invent the art of jumping.

... Goddamn my analogy was horrible.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

They did

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LivingMetal said:
tack50 said:

Designing an scenario where some other console saves the console market in the US is relatively easy. 

.........................................

Oh... So you agree that in this reality Nintendo DID save console gaming?  Thanks.

No I do not. Let us clarify. They saved console gaming in North America. But North America =/= console gaming at large.

And it isn't an inevitability like I said. With no NES or a flop, maybe the SMS takes its place. Or the Game Boy revives the market. Or the SNES/MD or possibly even the PSX.

Neither Europe nor Japan were affected. The former had a small console market until the PSX and the latter never had a crash either.



Videogames (arcade at home), probably.

Computer games, no.



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tack50 said:
LivingMetal said:

Oh... So you agree that in this reality Nintendo DID save console gaming?  Thanks.

No I do not. Let us clarify. They saved console gaming in North America. But North America =/= console gaming at large.

And it isn't an inevitability like I said. With no NES or a flop, maybe the SMS takes its place. Or the Game Boy revives the market. Or the SNES/MD or possibly even the PSX.

Neither Europe nor Japan were affected. The former had a small console market until the PSX and the latter never had a crash either.

That's kinda stupid to say.If Benjamin Franklin haven't discovered electricity, someone else would. If Einstein didn't develop his theories that would lead to the atomic bomb, someone else would.

The fire that burned the Alexandria library set humanity back 500 hundred years, not forever.People eventually discovered/invented all those things again.

Same for gaming. Someone else would bring it back from the dead, if Nintendo didn't do it. That dosen't diminish or nullifies the accomplishment of the people and/or companies that did it first.The fact that Nintendo saved the industry(first, if you wanna look it that way) when they did, using the vision and the courage they had, is just an indisputable fact.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
SvennoJ said:

Actually MS was behind the MSX platform which is the birthplace of Metal Gear Solid. The MSX did well in Japan and in parts of Europe, but for some reason failed in the USA.

Nintendo on the other hand was seen as the kiddie console where I lived with expensive cartridges and crappy conversions. NES and the 50hz curse... Sony dragged consoles away from the games are for kids stigma back to where they were with Atari, Commodore and Amiga.

Anyway, I was born in '74, been playing games since 1980 and never heard of the video game crash until I moved to NA. Apparently I lived through it without ever noticing it, happily gaming away.

Yeaaaah, kind of.

First of all, gaming was never seen as an "adult hobby" until the 7th gen, let's all be honest here. It was never seen as that during the 2nd gen- Atari - (don't even know where you took that from), and while Sony moved towards that direction, they only really accomplished that "adulthood approved seal" during the 7th gen, since before that it was very much as a kid/teen hobby (even if Nintendo had that reputation of the " for young kids" image, while Sony and MS had that "for teens and 20s "teens"" going for it.)

Second, Nintendo DID prove the industry authenticity and viability, not only bringing it back from the dead, but also getting record breaking sales numbers with it's consoles, games. Not to mention all the new experiences never before seen that it brought to the table, thus proving that it could be more than something to "pass the time"

Anyways, never got this recent trend of trying to downplay the vital role that Nintendo had in rescuying the industry from the blink of destruction.

Ever heard of a little title called Myst?

My introduction to Atari was from people (adults) being so in awe of it they let us play with it to show how cool it was.

I'm not trying to downplay the role of Nintendo. I simply grew up in that era and never got a Nintendo console until I bought the N64 myself. My first introduction to Mario was on the game boy. The console simply was not popular where I lived, nor did video games need saving. Sierra was doing perfectly fine without Nintendo.

The thread title is, Did Nintendo save gaming. No, but they did make console gaming popular (home computers without a keyboard) and I guess contributed to the demise of the Commodore Amiga. Commodore went bankrupt in 1994 :/

The Amiga 500 came out just over 30 years ago, seeing as many as 6000 games released across its lifespan and that of its two immediate successors, the Amiga 600 and Amiga 1200. / A total of 715 known licensed game titles were released for the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) during its life span.




tack50 said:
LivingMetal said:

Oh... So you agree that in this reality Nintendo DID save console gaming?  Thanks.

No I do not. Let us clarify. They saved console gaming in North America. But North America =/= console gaming at large.

And it isn't an inevitability like I said. With no NES or a flop, maybe the SMS takes its place. Or the Game Boy revives the market. Or the SNES/MD or possibly even the PSX.

Neither Europe nor Japan were affected. The former had a small console market until the PSX and the latter never had a crash either.

Did you not just said:

"Designing an scenario where some other console saves the console market in the US is relatively easy."

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Nautilus said:
tack50 said:

No I do not. Let us clarify. They saved console gaming in North America. But North America =/= console gaming at large.

And it isn't an inevitability like I said. With no NES or a flop, maybe the SMS takes its place. Or the Game Boy revives the market. Or the SNES/MD or possibly even the PSX.

Neither Europe nor Japan were affected. The former had a small console market until the PSX and the latter never had a crash either.

That's kinda stupid to say.If Benjamin Franklin haven't discovered electricity, someone else would. If Einstein didn't develop his theories that would lead to the atomic bomb, someone else would.

The fire that burned the Alexandria library set humanity back 500 hundred years, not forever.People eventually discovered/invented all those things again.

Same for gaming. Someone else would bring it back from the dead, if Nintendo didn't do it. That dosen't diminish or nullifies the accomplishment of the people and/or companies that did it first.The fact that Nintendo saved the industry(first, if you wanna look it that way) when they did, using the vision and the courage they had, is just an indisputable fact.

Maybe in some people's reality magic exists.



SvennoJ said:
Nautilus said:

Yeaaaah, kind of.

First of all, gaming was never seen as an "adult hobby" until the 7th gen, let's all be honest here. It was never seen as that during the 2nd gen- Atari - (don't even know where you took that from), and while Sony moved towards that direction, they only really accomplished that "adulthood approved seal" during the 7th gen, since before that it was very much as a kid/teen hobby (even if Nintendo had that reputation of the " for young kids" image, while Sony and MS had that "for teens and 20s "teens"" going for it.)

Second, Nintendo DID prove the industry authenticity and viability, not only bringing it back from the dead, but also getting record breaking sales numbers with it's consoles, games. Not to mention all the new experiences never before seen that it brought to the table, thus proving that it could be more than something to "pass the time"

Anyways, never got this recent trend of trying to downplay the vital role that Nintendo had in rescuying the industry from the blink of destruction.

Ever heard of a little title called Myst?

My introduction to Atari was from people (adults) being so in awe of it they let us play with it to show how cool it was.

I'm not trying to downplay the role of Nintendo. I simply grew up in that era and never got a Nintendo console until I bought the N64 myself. My first introduction to Mario was on the game boy. The console simply was not popular where I lived, nor did video games need saving. Sierra was doing perfectly fine without Nintendo.

The thread title is, Did Nintendo save gaming. No, but they did make console gaming popular (home computers without a keyboard) and I guess contributed to the demise of the Commodore Amiga. Commodore went bankrupt in 1994 :/

The Amiga 500 came out just over 30 years ago, seeing as many as 6000 games released across its lifespan and that of its two immediate successors, the Amiga 600 and Amiga 1200. / A total of 715 known licensed game titles were released for the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) during its life span.


I do understand where you are comming from, but your example comes from a personal experience of a regional occurance, whereas this debate revolves around gaming as a whole, in the whole world.

Bolded: There were adults that were fans of gaming, for sure, but the perception of the general public was that games was for kids. And that's the whole point. Enthusiasts exist everywhere and have different ages, but these discussion, about impacts to the industry and overall perception, is regarded against the overall public and/or society.

So yes, not only did Nintendo save gaming, but it also made it more popular than it was.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1