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Like with Zune and a few other products, Mixer was perfectly fine. Just didn't catch on. We'll see what happens.



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d21lewis said:
Like with Zune and a few other products, Mixer was perfectly fine. Just didn't catch on. We'll see what happens.

From what I've heard the technology and the picture clarity + sound, ect was pretty great on it.
It just lacked the community, and had some pretty harsh rules that kept alot of people away from the service.



JRPGfan said:
d21lewis said:
Like with Zune and a few other products, Mixer was perfectly fine. Just didn't catch on. We'll see what happens.

From what I've heard the technology and the picture clarity + sound, ect was pretty great on it.
It just lacked the community, and had some pretty harsh rules that kept alot of people away from the service.

techwise it allowed the highest quality which was pretty noticeable when streaming fullscreen without chat



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There were no rules that kept people away, the numbers just weren’t there compared to twitch. Some people were able to find a good sized audience in one niche or another but the numbers were always tiny in comparison. If you’re a successful streamer, unless MS paid you tons of money, there was no reason to use Mixer over twitch.

I preferred Mixer because the quality is much better, there are zero ads, and it’s smaller. You get a better sense of community. My most watched game on Mixer might have 600 total people watching across all channels streaming it. On twitch there are people playing it that each get thousands of viewers.



JRPGfan said:

1) The "idea" behinde stadia is you see a youtube video of a game, and you click "play it" or something, and you jump into the streaming service and the game. That is stadia's goal, where they want to go. MS want the same thing, just with facebook videos and instagram, where you just click "play it" when you watch a clip or video, and your into the service.

SO in that sense, they are going to become the very similar.

"Not only you are mixing things up but coming up with assumption based on that."

In less than 1 month, mixer wont work anymore.
Its not just a marketing deal, its useing Facebook gameing (their streaming) instead to get viewers into gamepass/game streaming (xcloud).

From phil spencers own mouth on the matter:

“We think this is it, and it gives us a great place to launch more xCloud content and give gamers the ability to play from there. - Phil Spencer.

xCloud is going to be centered around facebook streaming, and your going to be playing & streaming games from there.

"It’s not clear exactly when we’ll see xCloud show up in Facebook Gaming, but it’s a key part of this new partnership. Microsoft is getting ready to launch xCloud streaming generally later this year, as part of the company’s Xbox Game Pass offering."

^ How much clearer can it get than that?

The key reason, behinde this partnership is to get facebook videos / instragram clips + easy access into game streaming (xCloud).
They are combinding gamepass + xcloud game streaming into 1 service (which was why I suspected gamepass prices would go up).

No, Stadia has NOTHING to do with Facebook Gaming.

One is a gaming streaming service where you can play your game directly from any device...

The other one is a just streaming videos... 

I mean, just because you can "click" somewhere to start XCloud (which is a completly different thing), does not make it "similar"... 

Mixer, Twitch, Facebook Gaming, YouTube Gaming <- Those are similar (Video stream service)

Google Stadia, XCloud, GeForce <- Those are similar... (Remote Play service)

I mean just stop comparing apples and orange.

Your whole post is based on the fact that you are saying that Facebook Gaming is a remote play service when it is not. Simply not.
And this why all of your other responses and assumptions are not accurate. So I'm not going to respond to each of your quote.

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But just the last the bold part. This only means that when you watch someone on Facebook Gaming playing a game, you could click on "link" to open it in XCloud and obviously you will need a Microsoft account for it. This just a very smart way to get advertizing for XCloud. Microsoft is going to make Facebook Streaming easier like Twitch is on Play Station and in exchange Facebook will have a link to XCloud to "start playing the game". That's the whole purpose of this partnership, nothing more.

Just because you may have to "link" your Xbox Account to Facebook to be able to stream live from your Xbox like any other partner already does not make it "another level of integration". This is already in almost every platform today, you link your Play Station Network account to Steam, your Xbox account to Facebook (this is already there, there is no need for more), etc... And nothing in what Spencer said is talking about XCloud being "centered" around Facebook Gaming... It is just another way to get into it (marketing and advertizing) 

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For Gamepass price going up, it may be or not the case. That's again pure speculations but I agree that it can be a possibility; we will see.

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Imaginedvl said:
JRPGfan said:

1) The "idea" behinde stadia is you see a youtube video of a game, and you click "play it" or something, and you jump into the streaming service and the game. That is stadia's goal, where they want to go. MS want the same thing, just with facebook videos and instagram, where you just click "play it" when you watch a clip or video, and your into the service.

SO in that sense, they are going to become the very similar.

"Not only you are mixing things up but coming up with assumption based on that."

In less than 1 month, mixer wont work anymore.
Its not just a marketing deal, its useing Facebook gameing (their streaming) instead to get viewers into gamepass/game streaming (xcloud).

From phil spencers own mouth on the matter:

“We think this is it, and it gives us a great place to launch more xCloud content and give gamers the ability to play from there. - Phil Spencer.

xCloud is going to be centered around facebook streaming, and your going to be playing & streaming games from there.

"It’s not clear exactly when we’ll see xCloud show up in Facebook Gaming, but it’s a key part of this new partnership. Microsoft is getting ready to launch xCloud streaming generally later this year, as part of the company’s Xbox Game Pass offering."

^ How much clearer can it get than that?

The key reason, behinde this partnership is to get facebook videos / instragram clips + easy access into game streaming (xCloud).
They are combinding gamepass + xcloud game streaming into 1 service (which was why I suspected gamepass prices would go up).

No, Stadia has NOTHING to do with Facebook Gaming.

One is a gaming streaming service where you can play your game directly from any device...

The other one is a just streaming videos... 

I mean, just because you can "click" somewhere to start XCloud (which is a completly different thing), does not make it "similar"... 

Mixer, Twitch, Facebook Gaming, YouTube Gaming <- Those are similar (Video stream service)

Google Stadia, XCloud, GeForce <- Those are similar... (Remote Play service)

I mean just stop comparing apples and orange.

Your whole post is based on the fact that you are saying that Facebook Gaming is a remote play service when it is not. Simply not.
And this why all of your other responses and assumptions are not accurate. So I'm not going to respond to each of your quote.

---

But just the last the bold part. This only means that when you watch someone on Facebook Gaming playing a game, you could click on "link" to open it in XCloud and obviously you will need a Microsoft account for it. This just a very smart way to get advertizing for XCloud. Microsoft is going to make Facebook Streaming easier like Twitch is on Play Station and in exchange Facebook will have a link to XCloud to "start playing the game". That's the whole purpose of this partnership, nothing more.

Just because you may have to "link" your Xbox Account to Facebook to be able to stream live from your Xbox like any other partner already does not make it "another level of integration". This is already in almost every platform today, you link your Play Station Network account to Steam, your Xbox account to Facebook (this is already there, there is no need for more), etc... And nothing in what Spencer said is talking about XCloud being "centered" around Facebook Gaming... It is just another way to get into it (marketing and advertizing) 

---

For Gamepass price going up, it may be or not the case. That's again pure speculations but I agree that it can be a possibility; we will see.

I think your mis understand me.

"Your whole post is based on the fact that you are saying that Facebook Gaming is a remote play service when it is not."

I know its not.
I'm saying, xcloud is going to be a portal for Facebook gaming, to endup doing much what youtube+stadia wants.
Just it will be facebook gaming + xcloud from MS.

"But just the last the bold part. This only means that when you watch someone on Facebook Gaming playing a game, you could click on "link" to open it in XCloud and obviously you will need a Microsoft account for it."

Yes thats what I've been saying.
You ll need a facebook account, and a microsoft account and be logged onto both, and you can click from a video to enter the streaming service.

I suspect it ll go the other way around too.
On xbox maybe you ll have a facebook account, as well linked to your xbox one, and you can view Facebook gaming on your console, and go directly from video to gamepass too.

ei. its a partnership, bringing facebook to xbox, and xbox to facebook.


"For Gamepass price going up, it may be or not the case. That's again pure speculations but I agree that it can be a possibility; we will see."

It would have too, if its now 1 service, and the costs of haveing both things, remains the same, with less ways to go about getting the renvue.

So overall we basically agree about everything?



d21lewis said:
Like with Zune and a few other products, Mixer was perfectly fine. Just didn't catch on. We'll see what happens.

Yeah, usually if you launch a product after a clear front runner is already in place, you have to be noticeably better than that product or else people won't bother to change their habits. Equal quality or even slightly better is not enough. 



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JRPGfan said:
Imaginedvl said:

No, Stadia has NOTHING to do with Facebook Gaming.

One is a gaming streaming service where you can play your game directly from any device...

The other one is a just streaming videos... 

I mean, just because you can "click" somewhere to start XCloud (which is a completly different thing), does not make it "similar"... 

Mixer, Twitch, Facebook Gaming, YouTube Gaming <- Those are similar (Video stream service)

Google Stadia, XCloud, GeForce <- Those are similar... (Remote Play service)

I mean just stop comparing apples and orange.

Your whole post is based on the fact that you are saying that Facebook Gaming is a remote play service when it is not. Simply not.
And this why all of your other responses and assumptions are not accurate. So I'm not going to respond to each of your quote.

---

But just the last the bold part. This only means that when you watch someone on Facebook Gaming playing a game, you could click on "link" to open it in XCloud and obviously you will need a Microsoft account for it. This just a very smart way to get advertizing for XCloud. Microsoft is going to make Facebook Streaming easier like Twitch is on Play Station and in exchange Facebook will have a link to XCloud to "start playing the game". That's the whole purpose of this partnership, nothing more.

Just because you may have to "link" your Xbox Account to Facebook to be able to stream live from your Xbox like any other partner already does not make it "another level of integration". This is already in almost every platform today, you link your Play Station Network account to Steam, your Xbox account to Facebook (this is already there, there is no need for more), etc... And nothing in what Spencer said is talking about XCloud being "centered" around Facebook Gaming... It is just another way to get into it (marketing and advertizing) 

---

For Gamepass price going up, it may be or not the case. That's again pure speculations but I agree that it can be a possibility; we will see.

I think your mis understand me.

"Your whole post is based on the fact that you are saying that Facebook Gaming is a remote play service when it is not."

I know its not.
I'm saying, xcloud is going to be a portal for Facebook gaming, to endup doing much what youtube+stadia wants.
Just it will be facebook gaming + xcloud from MS.

"But just the last the bold part. This only means that when you watch someone on Facebook Gaming playing a game, you could click on "link" to open it in XCloud and obviously you will need a Microsoft account for it."

Yes thats what I've been saying.
You ll need a facebook account, and a microsoft account and be logged onto both, and you can click from a video to enter the streaming service.

I suspect it ll go the other way around too.
On xbox maybe you ll have a facebook account, as well linked to your xbox one, and you can view Facebook gaming on your console, and go directly from video to gamepass too.

ei. its a partnership, bringing facebook to xbox, and xbox to facebook.


"For Gamepass price going up, it may be or not the case. That's again pure speculations but I agree that it can be a possibility; we will see."

It would have too, if its now 1 service, and the costs of haveing both things, remains the same, with less ways to go about getting the renvue.

So overall we basically agree about everything?

Well for GamePass, this can actually be part of the current price. Depends how they will "finance" that. This may be "marketing" cost if it brings more players in.

So yah, both are possible. Obviously I hope they won't increase it but if they do, meh, won't be the end of the world :)

And in bold: no, we do not ahah.



DonFerrari said:
Imaginedvl said:

Yes, that's exactly it. Instead of streaming on Mixer, you will probably be able to do it right on Facebook directly from your console (probably with one button or command only). (While Twitch required some additional setup if I am not wrong).

For me it was so strange that suddenly they unlinked the PSN account and Facebook account and removed the hability to directly post captured videos to facebook.

It wasn't videos, those have always linked to a you tube or twitch account and still do. Facebook was for 'easy' screenshot sharing the lazy way. It was crap though since Facebook scaled them down and used horrible compression on top. (Facebook also makes linking pictures a pita) You could also import your Facebook avatar to use on psn, which has also been removed. Twitter has been added instead of Facebook to spam your trophy achievements to in case anyone wants to.

Speculation: As VG247 points out, it is possible that the removal of Facebook integration on PS4 is related to the Cambridge Analytica scandal at Facebook, which pertains to the company's handling of user data. In July, Facebook said in a statement that it was removing PlayStation's access to Facebook friend data "immediately."

It was supposed to be temporary, according to Facebook, until they could negotiate new terms. I guess they couldn't come to an agreement. Good riddance imo.



SvennoJ said:
DonFerrari said:

For me it was so strange that suddenly they unlinked the PSN account and Facebook account and removed the hability to directly post captured videos to facebook.

It wasn't videos, those have always linked to a you tube or twitch account and still do. Facebook was for 'easy' screenshot sharing the lazy way. It was crap though since Facebook scaled them down and used horrible compression on top. (Facebook also makes linking pictures a pita) You could also import your Facebook avatar to use on psn, which has also been removed. Twitter has been added instead of Facebook to spam your trophy achievements to in case anyone wants to.

Speculation: As VG247 points out, it is possible that the removal of Facebook integration on PS4 is related to the Cambridge Analytica scandal at Facebook, which pertains to the company's handling of user data. In July, Facebook said in a statement that it was removing PlayStation's access to Facebook friend data "immediately."

It was supposed to be temporary, according to Facebook, until they could negotiate new terms. I guess they couldn't come to an agreement. Good riddance imo.

I updated several dozen videos to youtube from PS4 before the issue.



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