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Have politics damaged the quality of ND games

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Yes 54 58.06%
 
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EnricoPallazzo said:
Runa216 said:

Stop trying to justify bigoted narratives if you don't want to be called a bigot. 

People like you are hopeless, intolerant and with fascist views. As usual, the ones asking for tolerance are the most intolerant of all, the ones asking for respect are the most disrespectful. People like you only bring hate for the discussion and not open dialogue. Good riddance.

You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you? Why is it so 'cool' to throw around words like 'fascist' to describe anyone who criticises your behaviour? Why is it okay to act like you're the victim here when you're the one pushing for ideals that oppress others then cry and whine when people hold you accountable for that? Why do you think it's fair at all to say that I'm the hateful one for calling your out on your hateful ideals? 

IT's like....Frame 1: Image of someone killing puppies. Frame 2: Image of someone telling that person to stop killing puppies. Frame 3: THERES SO MUCH HATE ON BOTH SIDES! 

http://explosm.net/comics/5163/

No, bigotry is the absence of tolerance, you don't get to play the victim when someone else calls you out on it. YOU DON'T GET TO BE A VICTIM IF YOU'RE THE ONE PUSHING BELIEFS WITH THE INTENTION OF OPPRESSING OTHERS. Holy shit it's not even remotely the same thing. You're a bully who tattles on your victim when they punch back. You and everyone else who pulls the same shit. You don't get a moral high ground if you're arguing in favor of less representation in media. you are the bad guy here. You are the villain in this story. Plain and simple. 



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Runa216 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

People like you are hopeless, intolerant and with fascist views. As usual, the ones asking for tolerance are the most intolerant of all, the ones asking for respect are the most disrespectful. People like you only bring hate for the discussion and not open dialogue. Good riddance.

You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you? Why is it so 'cool' to throw around words like 'fascist' to describe anyone who criticises your behaviour? Why is it okay to act like you're the victim here when you're the one pushing for ideals that oppress others then cry and whine when people hold you accountable for that? Why do you think it's fair at all to say that I'm the hateful one for calling your out on your hateful ideals? 

IT's like....Frame 1: Image of someone killing puppies. Frame 2: Image of someone telling that person to stop killing puppies. Frame 3: THERES SO MUCH HATE ON BOTH SIDES! 

http://explosm.net/comics/5163/

No, bigotry is the absence of tolerance, you don't get to play the victim when someone else calls you out on it. YOU DON'T GET TO BE A VICTIM IF YOU'RE THE ONE PUSHING BELIEFS WITH THE INTENTION OF OPPRESSING OTHERS. Holy shit it's not even remotely the same thing. You're a bully who tattles on your victim when they punch back. You and everyone else who pulls the same shit. You don't get a moral high ground if you're arguing in favor of less representation in media. you are the bad guy here. You are the villain in this story. Plain and simple. 

Whatever makes you happy dude. Not going to waste my time because despite I was being respectful to everyone and the whole subject as I know how sensitive it is, in the end you can say whatever you want and I will be the one banned. Keep shouting to yourself, maybe that helps you relief some of your hate.



EnricoPallazzo said:
Runa216 said:

You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you? Why is it so 'cool' to throw around words like 'fascist' to describe anyone who criticises your behaviour? Why is it okay to act like you're the victim here when you're the one pushing for ideals that oppress others then cry and whine when people hold you accountable for that? Why do you think it's fair at all to say that I'm the hateful one for calling your out on your hateful ideals? 

IT's like....Frame 1: Image of someone killing puppies. Frame 2: Image of someone telling that person to stop killing puppies. Frame 3: THERES SO MUCH HATE ON BOTH SIDES! 

http://explosm.net/comics/5163/

No, bigotry is the absence of tolerance, you don't get to play the victim when someone else calls you out on it. YOU DON'T GET TO BE A VICTIM IF YOU'RE THE ONE PUSHING BELIEFS WITH THE INTENTION OF OPPRESSING OTHERS. Holy shit it's not even remotely the same thing. You're a bully who tattles on your victim when they punch back. You and everyone else who pulls the same shit. You don't get a moral high ground if you're arguing in favor of less representation in media. you are the bad guy here. You are the villain in this story. Plain and simple. 

Whatever makes you happy dude. Not going to waste my time because despite I was being respectful to everyone and the whole subject as I know how sensitive it is, in the end you can say whatever you want and I will be the one banned. Keep shouting to yourself, maybe that helps you relief some of your hate.

Using polite words while also trying to fight against inclusion in media is not 'polite', it's disingenuous and dangerous and still hateful. saying 'please go fuck yourself and get out of my game' is still telling someone to go fuck themselves and go away. WHAT you say is more important than how you say it, in this instance. Masking hate-speech with pretty words and a calm demeanour is not devaluing the oppression you're pushing for by decrying the themes in this game. 



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

I can’t tell if the outrage is because of the inclusion and woke culture or people just disappointed in the horrible narrative.



Runa216 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

People like you are hopeless, intolerant and with fascist views. As usual, the ones asking for tolerance are the most intolerant of all, the ones asking for respect are the most disrespectful. People like you only bring hate for the discussion and not open dialogue. Good riddance.

You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you? Why is it so 'cool' to throw around words like 'fascist' to describe anyone who criticises your behaviour? Why is it okay to act like you're the victim here when you're the one pushing for ideals that oppress others then cry and whine when people hold you accountable for that? Why do you think it's fair at all to say that I'm the hateful one for calling your out on your hateful ideals? 

IT's like....Frame 1: Image of someone killing puppies. Frame 2: Image of someone telling that person to stop killing puppies. Frame 3: THERES SO MUCH HATE ON BOTH SIDES! 

http://explosm.net/comics/5163/

No, bigotry is the absence of tolerance, you don't get to play the victim when someone else calls you out on it. YOU DON'T GET TO BE A VICTIM IF YOU'RE THE ONE PUSHING BELIEFS WITH THE INTENTION OF OPPRESSING OTHERS. Holy shit it's not even remotely the same thing. You're a bully who tattles on your victim when they punch back. You and everyone else who pulls the same shit. You don't get a moral high ground if you're arguing in favor of less representation in media. you are the bad guy here. You are the villain in this story. Plain and simple. 

Can you give an example of his bigotry, like a direct quote? While I don't necessarily agree with his view points I havent seen him at any point clearly say he doesn't want gay people or other minorities in games. I may have missed something.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
I can’t tell if the outrage is because of the inclusion and woke culture or people just disappointed in the horrible narrative.

Well, based on what I've seen, read, and heard, the actual storytelling is - as it always is in Naughty dog games - very good. It's less about the quality of writing and more about the direction of the story. Which is really just an excuse to critique the game without actually addressing the intolerance inherent in the audience.



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

LudicrousSpeed said:
I can’t tell if the outrage is because of the inclusion and woke culture or people just disappointed in the horrible narrative.

Like usual it is a mix of a lot of things not necessarily extreme but people do like to generalize the whole negative backlash in one extreme motivation to fit an extreme negative personal view.



LudicrousSpeed said:
I can’t tell if the outrage is because of the inclusion and woke culture or people just disappointed in the horrible narrative.

A little from column A, a little from column B. Honestly the game isn't that woke. They seem to have fetish for brutally murdering, beating and torturing women in the game.



LudicrousSpeed said:
I can’t tell if the outrage is because of the inclusion and woke culture or people just disappointed in the horrible narrative.

First of all, I love Pantera.

I've been following several communities around it since the beginning of the leaks, which includes one with 200k people on reddit where most negative comments are being supressed, one with 20k in reddit where is total mayhem and very fun, and a telegram group with 1k people.

Nobody gives a damn about Ellie having a relationship with Dina, they just love making fun of her big nose.

Based on my impressions it goes like this, in this order:

Spoiler!

1 - Poorly written story with no respect for old established characters and full of plot holes and characters making decisions that are makes no sense one on top of another, including the ending.

2 - The whole Abby arc including Lev, people just dont like it, the pacing is bad, the flashbacks are forced and ND failed miserably in trying to make us feel empathy for Anny. A lot of people mentions one of the reasons is because the game is too long, when you get there you already have 15 hours in game.

3 - False advertisement from ND, which on purpose changed characters and models in the trailers, even created scenes that does no appear in game to give you the impression that for at least a portion of the game it would be Joels + Ellie again getting rvenge due to someone else dying, probably Dina. In fact Ellie and Joel do not interact with each other the whole game except in his death.

4 - Wokenes in general. Bigot Sandwich, insulting Joel when he wanted to defend her, all white males are stupid, girl power, retcon of things from the first game, and despite having 2 lesbian main characters, you have two trans characters, Abby and Lev. Most people though Abby wasn NOT trans, but now most think she is.

5 - Abby's sex scene which generated a huge amount of memes.



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Hey guys since I came here I never picked up how to do the hidden spoilers tag. Anybody able to help?

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