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mk7sx said:
Wman1996 said:
Not particularly fair to just use Switch for Nintendo. It would make sense to use just the Wii U, or the Wii U and Switch. Wii U is 8th-Gen without debate. We're still debating on what Switch is. I say it's 9th Gen that came out mid-cycle of the competitor home consoles.

It looks like NSW/WiiU/3DS are all being counted?

I used all the three platforms, that is the reason I put it using the timeframe that would count the PS4 and X1 generation and counted the Nintendo titles that would happen in that timeframe since they don't totally align. Sure I could slice to use only WiiU to compare consoles or Switch but that had more complains than having all 3 accounted for.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Really cool that you took member feedback and attacked this project from a different angle :)

What about Wipeout Omega Collection for PS4? Would that be eligible?



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Really cool that you took member feedback and attacked this project from a different angle :)

What about Wipeout Omega Collection for PS4? Would that be eligible?

It wasn't listed in any of the studios even as collab. But will double check



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Thank you for adjusting! This is much more valid data!



src said:

The sales segment is pointless imo. Nintendo provides quarter by quarter sales info on all their software. MS has stopped giving numbers eversince XB1 massively declined. Sony only gives numbers whenever they feel like.

I think its best to look at ranges, bare in mind a fair amount of this is predicting LTD:

Nintendo

25-30M : Mario Kart, AC
20-25M: SSB, Zelda, MO, Pokemon
15-20M:
10-15M: Pokemon third entry, Splatoon, SMP
5-10M: LM3, SMM, 2D Zelda
<5M: FE, Kirby, Xenoblade, etc

Sony

25-30M : TLOU II (?)
20-25M: Spiderman
15-20M: GOW, UC4
10-15M: Horizon, GoT (?)
5-10M: GT, DG, Bloodborne, Ratchet, Death Stranding (?)
<5M: Gravity Rush, Team ICO, LBP, Infamous etc

MS

25-30M :
20-25M:
15-20M:
10-15M:
5-10M: Forza Horizon, Halo
<5M: Forza Motorsport, Gears, SoT, SoD, Crackdown etc

The metacritic score tracker is great. Really shows how Sony and Intendo have excelled in first party games while MS is virtually lost.

Is this post meant to be a joke?  You are projecting lifetime sales, but you don't think Mario Kart is going to sell anymore?  Meanwhile TLOU2 is going to sell more than any game Sony ever made at 25m-30m?  LOL, WTF?  I mean TLOU is in the 10-15m range if you are counting PS4 only.  Or are you combining platforms?  In that case Mario Kart 8 is already above 30m and still selling.  There is basically no consistency to any of this and some of the numbers are made up from games not even released yet.

Lifetime projections look more like this, single platform.


Nintendo

40M+: Mario Kart, AC
20-30M: SSB, Zelda 
10-20M: MO, Pokemon, Pokemon Let's Go, Splatoon, SMP
5-10M: LM3, SMM, 2D Zelda
<5M: FE, Kirby, Xenoblade, etc

Sony

40M+: 
20-30M: 
10-20M: Spiderman, GOW, UC4, TLOU, Horizon
5-10M: GT, DG, Bloodborne, Ratchet 
<5M: Gravity Rush, Team ICO, LBP, Infamous, Death Stranding etc

MS

40M+ :
20-30M:  
10-20M: Halo
5-10M: Forza Horizon, Gears
<5M: Forza Motorsport, SoT, SoD, Crackdown etc

It's true that Sony's first party output is a lot better than Microsoft's, but it doesn't hold a candle to Nintendo's first party games.  Going by sales numbers Nintendo > Sony > Microsoft.  Going by critical reception, yeah I can see how people can come to a different conclusion though.



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Mar1217 said:
You'll have to explain me hard how a sequel named "Part 2" can have the ability to outsell the original.

Anyway, this is a nice tablet you've done. Thanks for the references !

Thanks. I think Part 2 will outsell the original, but I dunno what you were really meaning on the first phrase.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mar1217 said:
DonFerrari said:

Thanks. I think Part 2 will outsell the original, but I dunno what you were really meaning on the first phrase.

Simply asking the reason why you think this will happen ? 

And that is where you got me confused since I didn't made the claim in the thread before you asked.

But since now I know your question I can answer. It is a wellknow title now with a lot of hype, got even better reviews and the userbase is bigger as well. And Sony exclusives have been selling better and better during this gen.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Mar1217 said:

Simply asking the reason why you think this will happen ? 

And that is where you got me confused since I didn't made the claim in the thread before you asked.

But since now I know your question I can answer. It is a wellknow title now with a lot of hype, got even better reviews and the userbase is bigger as well. And Sony exclusives have been selling better and better during this gen.

Pre orders are tracking ahead of Marvel’s Spider-Man in most places. The latter has “official” sales of 13.2 million units. But since Sony only announce sales whenever they want to its clear that most titles have higher sales. 

Also, these titles will be compatible with PS5 meaning that they will continue to sell. 



Kyuu said:
I appreciate your efforts but isn't like one third of those only owned/published? Shadow of the Colossus and The Last Guardian are more eligible than Bloodborne and Everybody's Golf in my opinion.

I don't like getting involved in Nintendo stuff on VGC but I'm pretty sure many of the listed games aren't co-deveoped in any meaningful capacity by Nintendo's own studios (much like Bloodborne and Everybody's Golf).

Well, unfortunatelly it is hard to get consensus on this.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Am I the only one that finds the term "Game of the Year Award" has been getting used pretty loosely around the internet? It seems like websites pop up solely to announce their choice of "Game of the Year" in a given year and then just disappear. For example, the list of "Game of the Year" stats that I was linked to from Dualshockers for 2013 accounts for 523 total GOTY winners. But 2017 only totals 333 total GOTY winners. That's a pretty huge disparity. I clicked on several of the "GOTY" winners on the 2013 list and was either taken to a site with a "Top 10" list that didn't use the phrase "GOTY" at all, or in other cases a broken link for a site that no longer existed. For reference, the 2012 list totals 385 GOTY winners, and the 2014 list totals 374 GOTY winners.  

Even excluding the "Readers Picks", and comparing just the "Critics Picks" shows the same disparity.  2013 accounts for 360 "Critics Picks", which was an increase from 262 "Critics Picks" from 2012.  But a year later in 2014 they were back to only 255 critics still around? 2013 just seems ridiculously weighted against any other year I looked at for comparison.

https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2013/09/2013-game-of-year.html

https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2017/09/2017-game-of-year.html