* Xbox one series S is 299 dollars
* Halo Infinite
* Hell Blade 2
* Flight Simulator
* Forza 8
* Brand new AAA ip
* Show off some third party AAA games with actual gameplay
* Smart Delivery and backwards compatibility.
* Another big studio acquisition (they should look at Remedy games).

SOT is 15 at twitch with 44.000 viewers RIGHT THIS MOMENT.

We don't know exact numbers but SOT was Xbox ones fastest selling new ip of this gen and it was at second place of Steam top sellers 2 weeks after it's release.

IGN and Gamespot has re-reviewed it and both gave it an 8. Plus, it has great user reviews on steam.

This has to be one of the most misinformed posts i have ever seen.

Please tell me you're kidding. Just, overall clearly not being serious. Because, as I mentioned repeatedly, this isn't just a one-off issue of me being scorned, it's a repeating pattern of Microsoft overpromising and underdelivering. And Sea of thieves might be good now, but they had a chance to impress me back at launch and it was absolute garbage. I don't expect a game to be perfect at launch, but I am not and will not support any developer that thinks it can get me to pay 80 CAD for a game at launch that is basically a shell of an idea with little to no content in the vague promises that it might be better later. It didn't work for No Man's Sky, it didn't work for Sea of Thieves, and it won't work in the future. 

There's plenty of high-quality content out there to keep me busy, I am not interested in picking up games that might get better later. God of War 2018 was damn near perfect at launch. Horizon Zero Dawn was near perfect at launch. Spider-Man was nearly perfect at launch. Breath of the wild was perfect at launch. Mario Odyssey was perfect at launch. sure, some glitch fixes and tweaks were needed but these were full games at launch and did nothing but get better. There's no excuse for a game like Sea of Thieves to have the same early-access garbage release schedule as some minor-league indie title on steam. That is not okay. Something like Stardew Valley or Minecraft get away with it because they were indie titles with only a handful of staff working on them. Rare is a reasonably sized studio with Microsoft of all companies backing them. I will not support that. 

And when was the last time Rare had an IP that anyone actually cared about? I heard more from Rare when Banjo and Kazooie were released in Smash than anything since Microsoft bought them. Your argument is bad, the game is too little too late, and it's sad how far people have to go to defend it just so that they have SOMETHING to cling onto. 

And like I said, this isn't 'jaded' Runa. I'm not simply sad or dejected or feeling betrayed. I don't care about huge corporations, I'm basing my purchasing and hype levels off market trends, research, personal experience, and extrapolated future prospects. This isn't just me whining that they disappointed me, it's me saying 'well, they had 20 years to figure something out, the closest they got was still a failed console, and even when they do kinda good they never keep it up.'

The original Xbox was mediocre. IT sold poorly - barely besting the Gamecube, which was a famously poor-selling console - and only had a handful of exclusives. as a result, Sony beat it by something 6:1. This is forgivable, as it was Microsoft's first console. However, the last 2 years of its life were barren except Halo 2. Then they rushed the Xbox 360 to market with laughable architecture, but a solid games lineup. 2005-2009 were Microsoft's time. They brought online gaming on home console to the foreground and reinvigorated indie titles, but after that the tides shifted and 2010-2013 were, once again, pretty barren as they geared up for the Xbox One. Then, Xbox One came out, people hated it becuase they tried to stranglehold the industry, and while the first few years were successful, 2017-2020 have all been absolutely barren on the console. 

Do you see a pattern here? They start strong (ish) but finish poorly. Even if the Xbox Series X had the best launch lineup of all time and an incredibly solid first year, I have absolutely zero faith they'd be able to give me value for my money in the long run. I might get 3-5 years out of it, then for the second half of the 9th generation, I'll once again exclusively be playing Nintendo and Sony consoles, because they have the exclusives I care about and they release games that are whole at launch. 

You keep going on about how they 'purchased all these studios', but history has told me they will not do anything with them. I shouldn't have to keep arguing in circles about it. I will not trust a word they say or an investment they make until they can prove to me that they aren't going to royally fuck it up. That's a lack of brand loyalty and trust. Sony has my trust becuase, ever since 1994, they have proven that their consoles get support long into their twilight years, that they balance first and third parties well, and that they have quality releases on every end of every spectrum. Nintendo has my trust because, even when they fuck up royally, they still give me 5-8 outstanding game-of-the-generation quality games. I would rather buy a WiiU with 5 great games on it that you can't get anywhere else than an Xbox One with yet another Halo, Forza, and Gears triad on it. 

This thread, and the concept of pre-release hype is all about brand loyalty, recognition, trust, and delivery. Microsoft has none of that anymore, especially not from me. This thread is about what it would take for Xbox's presentation to 'beat' Sony's presentation, and I firmly believe nothing can even come close to doing so becuase the Sony presentation gave me four of my most anticipated games/sequels/rereleases I could have hoped for (Seriously, of my top 10 most wanted potential games to be announced, Demon's Souls Remastered, a new Ratchet and Clank, a new Spider-Man, and a sequel to Horizon were all on there). Couple that with their history of delivering, and the balance is remarkably one-sided here. 

I get that you have your biases - we all do - but come on. there has to be a time where you realize you're on a sinking ship. The only reason Microsoft isn't going the way of SEga is that they have literally billions of dollars to waste and still get cash from Xbox Live. 

"At the very least you gotta admit this is more games then usual and more genre diversity so there’s something for everyone." No. Just no. If anything, the Xbox Brand and their games have been more homogenous than ever. Back in the Xbox 360 days, there was a lot of variety, but not anymore. the only 'unique' or interesting games to come out of Microsoft in the last 10 years have been Cuphead and Ori, both of which I have on my Nintendo Switch. 

Xbox really has nothing to offer. their business model is boring and generic, their games are homogenized, their patterns of generational cadence always show a twilight slump, and they haven't done anything to make me want an Xbox since 2009. I bought an Xbox One because I bought into their promises and wanted to see where they went with a clean slate. I played more Animal Crossing: New Horizons (A game I don't even like) Than I did every Xbox One game I own, combined. That is not an exaggeration. I agreed to give them a third chance, and they blew it. Not only did the Xbox One not impress me enough to give them a pass, it was so thoroughly disappointing that there's literally nothing they can do to buy me back prior to the launch of the Series X. 

Like I said, I might pick up a console 2-3 years down the line when it's inevitably cheap, but even then I don't see myself caring. I haven't touched my Xbox One since 2015, but I refuse to sell it 'just in case something comes out'. Nothing ever came out. I never touched it. Everything I want I can get on PS4, Switch, or PC. Even if Microsoft releases something good, I can get it on PC. 

This is why I think they'd be better off just going third party and developing for Sony. They have IPs (The holy trinity of Halo, Gears, and Forza are all strong brands), but that and a few indies really isn't worth buying. 

Nintendo has Mario, Smash, Splatoon, Yoshi, Zelda, Kirby, Metroid, Animal Crossing, and quite a few others. Many of these brands have lasted decades and are enjoying their greatest successes while others are monumentally popular new IPs. 

Sony has Uncharted, The Last of Us, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet & Clank, Spider-Man, and so many others as well. Not only this, but they also are in the habit of reimagining franchises, doing one-offs, and creating new IPs. 

Microsoft has Forza, Gears, and Halo. Oh, and I guess Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice which is getting a sequel...which was bought by Microsoft, not made by them. I would love to see them make a new IP, but last time they tried, Scalebound was Cancelled. 

I would love to get an Xbox Series X, but they need to actually release high quality, fun, unique games and do so for 3-5 years before I can even consider trusting them. Even if they show off something that looks good, I have no faith they'll pull it off. 

I get it that their best games take risks and you get rewarded with great games every gen. Still from my perspective I can only handle so much 3rd person action adventures. I like MP games, FPS, WRPGs and anything turn based. That’s why I prefer Xbox because it covers those bases. And when I got that third person game itch I’ll play Gears or Hellblade. 

By the way with the RTS comment the Xbox ecosystem spans PC and they are committed to making them happy too. Gears Tactics on Pc first, Flight SIM and Age of Empires is to make them catered to as well. From a platform culture perspective its different then Sony still confining everybody to one platform so I understand us not being on the same page. 

Obsidian alone is a great counter to your last point. A big title from them will send a message I’ll admit Xbox couldn’t do in a long time. Throw in the other new studio projects on top of the Xbox trinity and it’s a nice mix of old and new. 

Well if the company was underhanded it could pay off books to some newspapers to spread the rumor of the price for PS5 and link that to the "get a second job" of PS3.

To Runa,

Your opinion is not the standard. Clearly there are games that have attracted a audience after its launch. Rainbow Six Seige comes to mind. I get it, you want it all day 1, very traditional guy. Then again a good game is a good game. The nice thing about patches and updates, they can fundamentally change a game into something better. So people who don’t take this as serious as you can simply find a older game that got better and guess what...enjoy themselves.

While you went on a long post to prove you aren’t jaded but convinced through years upon years of not being catered to, your thought process reveals a complex. Yes I am aware of Sony’s consistency while Xbox has never managed to find a stable footing for more then a few years at a time. And yet, they got what I want. I do know writing off people with a different preference then you doesn’t make you come across like you think. 

Again, I’ll just say watch their show with an open mind. Or don’t. I just see that from history, that they never had their shit together like they do now.

You exagerated.

Donkey Kong, Banjo Kazooie, Conker and GoldenEye are much more popular than SoT.

I doubt SoT will be as well regarded and remembered 20 years later as those other titles.

I will also wait. This will be the first time since the 90's I haven't planned on getting every major console. Nintendo and Sony cover all my bases, and whatever they can't do my PC can. 

Goldeneye sold the most with 7 million approximately. So probably not that. But there’s a good chance SoT has more unique players (that played a decent chunk to gets their times worth) then Banjo and Conker. I mean the N64 only sold 32 million the legs weren’t there in some cases. Conker released so late in the cycle that it was largely ignored. Point is SoT is clearly up there somewhere.

On another note I would also say it’s longevity should be accounted for as well. You have a dedicated community that plays hundreds of hours of the game. Even ones who play once in a while dedicated entire afternoons to get in a good session. That’s enough play time to overlap their older titles many times over. And people playing years later where as Banjo would have been cut off for the next game Rare made in that era. Something to consider. 

You sure about that? I mean, really sure? 

PS1 - 102.50 million consoles

PS2 - 157.68 million consoles
XBox - 24.65 million consoles

PS3 - 87.41 million consoles
X360 - 85.80 million consoles

PS4 - 111.24 million consoles
XB1 - 47.86 million consoles

Sony's worst-selling console outsold Microsoft's best-selling console. Furthermore, late-stage sales comparisons have Sony consoles catching up and eclipsing or even further dominating the competition. sony's console cycles last 7-13 years and overlap rather than 3-5 years and then die. While I do not speak for everyone, everything I've said is backed up by historical data and general public perception. You are the outlier here, not me. That said, I don't actually CARE what other people think in my personal decisions. Yeah, it seems in this case I line up with the majority, but I wasn't arguing sales, I was arguing output. Subjective matters, not objective facts. I mean, I could bring in the facts, but it really hurts your case. 

Also, I find it absolutely hilarious that this has somehow turned into a pissing match about how I apparently think I'm superior? I mean, what are you even pulling from, there? why do you feel the need to resort to ad hominem jabs? I don't expect Microsoft to 'cater' to me, I'm saying that they haven't given me or many others what they want. for people into shooters, racers, and strictly online multiplayer, sure it works for them. but for people who like story-driven action games, RPGs, or pretty much anything that isn't shooty or vroom vroom, you'd best look elsewhere. 

All these years later, with the 'console wars' long since over and a loser being declared, I still do not quite understand why people feel this is a hill worth dying on. I really, really don't. So many people I know went to PS4 this gen because they actually have games you can't get anywhere else or were designed for the system. They actually have quality, quantity, and variety. 

I mean, some people like very specific things and that's fine, but for the rest of us, there's a reason why PS4 did so much better than Xbox and the hype levels for the PS5 are so much higher than the Xbox Series X, and one of those reasons is that sony has been far more consistent for far longer and catering to a far wider variety of fans and genres. They just do better overall. And, unlike Xbox, when they fail or trip or stumble or have blunders, they learn from it. Xbox has been making the same mistakes since day one. that does not engender faith in the brand and people finally see that. 

I am sure the first 2-3 years of the Xbox Series X will do fine. they'll have a handful of exclusives, it'll sell well in the west...but in the end the PS5 is going to blow it out of the water, just like the Ps4 did and just like the PS2 did. 

And I will go into it with an open mind.  I still watch Xbox's E3 presentations and get excited and will continue to do so in the future. I'd love to see what they show off, but at this point it's out of sheer curiosity, not eagerness. I need at least 5-7 exclusive games I want on a console to make me consider buying it. Either that or at least 5-7 brands. Sony and Nintendo have dozens of brands and IPs and have consistently impressed me, Microsoft has not. The only game on the Xbox One that is worth anything to me is Sunset Overdrive...a game developed by a company now owned by Sony and who are responsible for two of the four megaton bombshells at the Sony presentation. 

Honestly, I think you're putting a whole lot more effort into your Microsoft Defense brigade than I am by eloquently and thoroughly saying that it just isn't good enough anymore. They promised, they failed. I've never liked Microsoft's image, I've never liked the Xbox line, I hate Halo and while Forza is a good game I've never cared about racing games, and pretty much everything else is on Ps4/Switch now. They have nothing. Absolutely nothing. I will keep watching, but I pretty much guarantee that anything good at their conference will be multiplat or nowhere near unique or interesting enough to make me care. That's just their brand. Bland, generic, americanized, homogenized, shooty vroom vroom.