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Digital Foundry:
"Improved Textures, Higher Level of Geometry and better shadow map quality as well"

Backwards Compat can do more than people think.

I agree that the RTX3060 will probably match the 2080, but the question is really how much Nvidia and AMD's new "low end' cards will cost? If it's $400 or more, I don't expect the bulk of pc gamers to upgrade, and MS 1st party making games that take full advantage of that kind of hardware anytime soon.

And while it's true that 1080p is still the most common resolution on pc, it doesn't mean that all next gen console games should, and will target native 4k. We've already seen the UE5 tech demo probably pushing the ps5 pretty hard at 30fps/1440p.

Some might want to downplay that UE5 demo, saying that it looks like a typical current gen game but we both know that's not the case. There's a reason why that tech demo got the reactions it did and why MS's "optimized for Series X" showcase felt so lackluster in comparison. A Hard reset is exactly what Sony is doing with ps5 and whether their launch games will be any good or not, all their exclusives could potentially take full advantage of the ps5 hardware, while that isn't really possible with MS's multiplatform/ cross gen approach. I mean look at Halo Infinite. What kind of pc specs do you think we'll need to run that game in similar settings as the Series X version in 1440p? We'll see but I'm sure that's not going to require a RTX2080, Ryzen cpu and a NVME SSD. 

I think you just don't grasp what the UE5 demo showcased. It wasn't to show what the engine could do, it was to show what the engine is capable of when you have a game that's completely optimized for the ps5.

Fact remains that you'll need a NVME SSD and a RTX 2070 Super to run that tech demo at 30fps, while any of the games MS has shown so far will likely run fine on a GTX1060 orlower. The difference there is that the tech demo did have that next gen wow factor, while MS is talking about how hard it is to promote their games because people have to feel that 60fps. 

PC gamers are they main focus and we don't really know what the average gaming pc will look like 2 years from now. But until Series X like specs are main stream on pc, MS will just be making smaller scale games that'll run fine on mid-range pc's or Xbox One games that run in native 4k/60fps.

A $2000+ gaming laptop not being able to run that EA5 tech demo in 4k and 60fps is my whole point here. It being optimized for 30fps and 1440p is why people were a lot more impressed by it than seeing Xone games running on native 4k during MS's conference. 

I did like 4 times, and he kept putting "you don't get the point" or giving "fanboy attack", didn't see you replying to that though.

If you are worried about cost. Buy a console. Or buy something cheaper.

But it all comes down to competition, if AMD's RDNA2 can match or exceed nVidia's 3000 parts then the price of hardware will drop like a ton of bricks, nVidia can't use the "feature superiority" aspect this time around to inflate costs again, so it all comes down to performance.

I don't think you understand the PC upgrade cycle if you think PC gamers will/won't rush towards the newest hardware... It's not the way it works.

And what does that have to do with PC hardware?

You have the power of choice on the PC, if you are happy with 1080P and wish to drive higher 120hz/144hz/180hz/240hz refresh rates or graphics effects rather than dump all those "precious teraflops" into 1440P or 2160P and keep that older graphics card, you have that choice.

Don't want to? Then pay up. You aren't forced to 1440P/30fps like with a Playstation 5 console.

And in a few years time when you feel like upgrading, you can dial up the resolution... Without having to buy the game as a "remaster" again.

The lighting in the Unreal Engine 5 demo was pretty uninspiring, we have better lighting in some games even today, Global Illumination using Voxels isn't a new breakthrough, it's not next-generation lighting technology if it's the technology of today.

But Nanite is extremely impressive... And in conjunction with that lighting framework provides a very impressive presentation for the relatively moderate hardware it's running on, I fully expect games to take a step forward from that technology demonstration in just a few years time.

Sony might be doing a "hard reset" with exclusives, but it won't be forcing that on 3rd party, which... I am not sure if you have been paying attention, is the absolute vast majority of the games library on the Playstation 4... Which just so happens to be identical to the Xbox One, there is going to be a few years where the vast majority of game releases will support the Playstation 4 and Playstation 5.

Halo: Infinite is doing some very interesting things on the rendering front as well, also you need to remember the PC isn't as reliant on storage and streaming as it's a memory rich environment, it's not limited to a paltry 8/16GB of Ram for the entire system for the entire systems life, so the SSD is less of an importance.

Consoles are also reserving entire Ryzen CPU cores and a chunk of Ram for the OS/Background tasks... And the CPU's are low-clocked, so a mid-range PC there will still have the overall edge.

Either way... Game engines are highly scalable, they scale downwards to phones and tablets, they scale upwards to the most powerful of PC's and consoles sit somewhere in the middle of all that.

You want the best graphics, framerate and resolution, the PC is where it has always been at.

Fact 1: It wasn't "completely optimized for the ps5".
The Unreal Engine 5 demonstration was not leveraging the Ray Tracing cores, there is extra hardware processing capabilities that were left unused, expect an increase in graphics when Epic decides to support those RT Cores.

Fact 2: It doesn't "show what the engine can do".
It was a technology demonstration for two new rendering technologies in Unreal Engine 5, namely Lumin and Nanite, nothing else.

No. An NVME SSD and RTX 2070 Super isn't required. The RTX 2070 super also released in 2018, the Playstation 5 hasn't released yet.

You can dump the entire demo into DRAM, removing the need of an SSD entirely for example.

I think you need to wait for the engine to actually release before you start making definitive assertions on how performant that engine is on various sets of PC hardware...

There is a very good idea of what the PC will look like 2 years from now, PC doesn't undergo fundamental shifts in underlying technology very often, rather there is a release cadence that has been pretty consistent for decades now.
The main focus will likely be improvements to Ray Tracing efficiency in hardware, something the next-gen consoles won't be able to benefit much from until the 10th gen.

Pretty bold statement when you have desktop replacement laptops on the market with multiple GPU's in SLI.

Definitely been noted, just a general thread warning is all.

We don’t have a release date yet because the plan was to release it later in 2020 on consoles and then COVID happened. Either way, it’s coming, so your point is, per usual, incorrect and ultimately irrelevant anyway.

You don’t have a point here. You’re trying to say a tech demo was made tailoring specifically to the strengths of the PS5 yet a laptop ran it better. The tech demo was a scaling resolution with a max of 1440p and a fluctuating frame rate sometimes stable at 30 because Epic loaded it up with tons of super detailed content in it. Super detailed content that would apparently require hundreds of gigs of data for a real game according to Epic themselves. It isn’t a demo designed specifically for PS5, it’s a tech demo for UE5 which will run on every platform around. 

Also what is this Xbox conference you speak of? They have had an Inside Xbox stream... conferences were all canceled. Are you confused again? 

Personally I would hope that a next gen tech demo beats cross gen content otherwise that would be a massive failure on the part of the company making the tech demo. After all that is the point of tech demos.

If you are worried about cost. Buy a console. Or buy something cheaper.

But it all comes down to competition, if AMD's RDNA2 can match or exceed nVidia's 3000 parts then the price of hardware will drop like a ton of bricks, nVidia can't use the "feature superiority" aspect this time around to inflate costs again, so it all comes down to performance.

I don't think you understand the PC upgrade cycle if you think PC gamers will/won't rush towards the newest hardware... It's not the way it works.

And what does that have to do with PC hardware?

You have the power of choice on the PC, if you are happy with 1080P and wish to drive higher 120hz/144hz/180hz/240hz refresh rates or graphics effects rather than dump all those "precious teraflops" into 1440P or 2160P and keep that older graphics card, you have that choice.

Don't want to? Then pay up. You aren't forced to 1440P/30fps like with a Playstation 5 console.

And in a few years time when you feel like upgrading, you can dial up the resolution... Without having to buy the game as a "remaster" again.

The lighting in the Unreal Engine 5 demo was pretty uninspiring, we have better lighting in some games even today, Global Illumination using Voxels isn't a new breakthrough, it's not next-generation lighting technology if it's the technology of today.

But Nanite is extremely impressive... And in conjunction with that lighting framework provides a very impressive presentation for the relatively moderate hardware it's running on, I fully expect games to take a step forward from that technology demonstration in just a few years time.

Sony might be doing a "hard reset" with exclusives, but it won't be forcing that on 3rd party, which... I am not sure if you have been paying attention, is the absolute vast majority of the games library on the Playstation 4... Which just so happens to be identical to the Xbox One, there is going to be a few years where the vast majority of game releases will support the Playstation 4 and Playstation 5.

Halo: Infinite is doing some very interesting things on the rendering front as well, also you need to remember the PC isn't as reliant on storage and streaming as it's a memory rich environment, it's not limited to a paltry 8/16GB of Ram for the entire system for the entire systems life, so the SSD is less of an importance.

Consoles are also reserving entire Ryzen CPU cores and a chunk of Ram for the OS/Background tasks... And the CPU's are low-clocked, so a mid-range PC there will still have the overall edge.

Either way... Game engines are highly scalable, they scale downwards to phones and tablets, they scale upwards to the most powerful of PC's and consoles sit somewhere in the middle of all that.

You want the best graphics, framerate and resolution, the PC is where it has always been at.

Fact 1: It wasn't "completely optimized for the ps5".
The Unreal Engine 5 demonstration was not leveraging the Ray Tracing cores, there is extra hardware processing capabilities that were left unused, expect an increase in graphics when Epic decides to support those RT Cores.

Fact 2: It doesn't "show what the engine can do".
It was a technology demonstration for two new rendering technologies in Unreal Engine 5, namely Lumin and Nanite, nothing else.

No. An NVME SSD and RTX 2070 Super isn't required. The RTX 2070 super also released in 2018, the Playstation 5 hasn't released yet.

You can dump the entire demo into DRAM, removing the need of an SSD entirely for example.

I think you need to wait for the engine to actually release before you start making definitive assertions on how performant that engine is on various sets of PC hardware...

There is a very good idea of what the PC will look like 2 years from now, PC doesn't undergo fundamental shifts in underlying technology very often, rather there is a release cadence that has been pretty consistent for decades now.
The main focus will likely be improvements to Ray Tracing efficiency in hardware, something the next-gen consoles won't be able to benefit much from until the 10th gen.

Pretty bold statement when you have desktop replacement laptops on the market with multiple GPU's in SLI.

Definitely been noted, just a general thread warning is all.

Nobody is saying anything about pc. Of course pc will always be superior and the UE5 demo will probably run on a RTX2070 super with a NVME SSD. My point is that those are still pretty steep requirements, while nothing MS has shown is going to require anything near those kind of specs to run a game at 30fps and a scaling resolution of 1440p. This is what Sweeney said.

"Sweeney isn’t saying that you can’t get a comparable M.2 drive for your PC, even now if you want to shell out for it. Rather, he’s saying the custom drive Sony created and the way it interacts with the overall PS5 data management system makes it faster and more impressive from a development standpoint that anything a consumer could readily buy today, especially considering PC developers aren’t yet building games that take advantage of such speeds. That may change in the future when both new consoles arrive and, as Sweeney predicts, inspire significant upgrades to PC component design and PC-specific game development.

Sweeney isn’t taking Sony’s word for it, either. He and the engineers at Epic are using the console themselves. Sweeney says the two companies have been working closely together during the development of UE5 and the PS5, ensuring that Epic’s game development tool sets for developers creating next-gen titles is optimized for the hardware that software will ultimately run on.

As for Microsoft’s Xbox Series X, Sweeney isn’t saying the new Xbox won’t be able to achieve something similar; both are using custom SSDs that promise blazing speeds. But he says Epic’s strong relationship with Sony means the company is working more closely with the PlayStation creator than it does with Microsoft on this specific area."

We both know which MS conference I'm talking about. Fact is MS seemed to be doing a pretty good job marketing Series X. They showed the box early, the specs are great and they've been pretty open about their strategy BC /Smart delivery strategy. They said Series X would do 4k/60fps or even 120fps, and everybody got excited. It all sounded great on paper until they did their "first look at games running on Series X" stream. Now it's finally starting to sink in what the "most compatible console" and aiming for native 4k and 60fps actually means. People were disappointed and we were seeing articles on how we should lower our expectations for next gen games. That was until Sony dropped that UE5 tech demo running in 30fps and finally showed something truly next gen to get excited about. 

Again, my point is that MS isn't going to have games that require a $700 gpu to run at 1440p and 30fps. At that resolution and framerate you can probably play all their exclusives with something like a $150 GTX1060. And until Series X like hardware becomes main stream on pc, we'll likely not be seeing games from them that require a beefy gpu and SSD. Sony is doing it the old fashioned way and doing a complete reset. Even if their 1st party games would get a pc release, they would likely require at least a RTX2070 and a NVME SSD just to run at 30fps.

This is why Sony has managed to only show a controller and a tech demo and still got people more excited about next gen than all the info and stuff MS's been showing for months now. Just imagine what'll happen when Sony shows off actual ps5 exclusive games like the rumored HZD2, looking like the UE5 tech demo, and MS does another "optimized for Series X" stream in July.

Why are you regurgitating Sweeney marketing talk as if it’s relevant to anything you’re saying here lol. I don’t care about Epics latest pre-gen marketing splooge with Sony, they’ve done it the last three gens now and it’s always nonsense. All of that you copied and pasted here and the tech demo runs better on a laptop. 

Also no, I not anyone else knows what conference you’re referring to. Are you talking about the Inside Xbox video? That isn’t a conference. Would you call the Cerny tech talk PS5 video a conference? Pretty sure you wouldn’t because it makes no sense. Then again not making any sense kind of seems like your schtick. Is this some bit that we are not in on? Feel free to PM me.