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Which event got you more impressed?

Xbox Series X Gameplay Event 25 27.17%
 
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 Demo 67 72.83%
 
Total:92
Dulfite said:
Still most mind blowing tech demo to me was Wii U Zelda one. Even after all these years that thing is just gorgeous!

That's quite a low standard.



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eva01beserk said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Of course RAID is a factor because it’s a factor on PC. It seems silly to rule that out because it’s not common when you’re making comparisons to console hardware that isn’t out yet and an engine for games that are years away. By the time any of us can experience anything being said by Sweeney, all of this “PS5 has a better SSD than PC!!!” nonsense will have aged very very poorly. 

Basically he was presented a challenge in regards to PC hardware and he found the answer and it bothers some of you. It’s basically this going on right now:

https://youtu.be/Dx32b5igLwA

Y’all object because there’s no refuting it. In the end it doesn’t make a lick of difference because again, by the time you can utilize this engine and hardware he won’t need to use a RAID setup to prove PC is better, there will be numerous drives on the market for PC that are superior. UE5 games will be looking and running better on PC hardware.

Console people fall for this PR every gen. Break the cycle.

First off your link leads to nothing

and second off all just read the quote I made to spokentruth to see why raid is not a factor.

Link worked for me. Basically you’re objecting because it’s ironclad. 

I read that already, just proves my point further. Still not sure why anyone is upset or accusing him of trolling... do you not agree that by the time PS5 is out and UE5 games are out this will all be silly? Well look back on it and remember when people thought a console would drive PC design, kind of like how we look back at the same shit Epic said about past PS consoles and laugh.



LudicrousSpeed said:
eva01beserk said:

First off your link leads to nothing

and second off all just read the quote I made to spokentruth to see why raid is not a factor.

Link worked for me. Basically you’re objecting because it’s ironclad. 

I read that already, just proves my point further. Still not sure why anyone is upset or accusing him of trolling... do you not agree that by the time PS5 is out and UE5 games are out this will all be silly? Well look back on it and remember when people thought a console would drive PC design, kind of like how we look back at the same shit Epic said about past PS consoles and laugh.

That truly proves that you dont ever bother to understand what anyone is saying. Where you to pay attention I say that it wont matter in the future, because it dosent matter now. An SSD is not a bottle neck for PC's. So even faster SSD's in the future will mean nothing. PC's have more ram wich is by far more usefull, Sony's SSD solution is only there because consoles are limited by that 16gb used not only for graphics but os and what ever else. Thats new entry level laptops amount of ram. A gaming PC pretty much almost standart to have 32gb just for system and then what ever more the Graphics card offers. Anyone looking to upgrade a pc for gaming would not need more than a basic ssd. So its pointles to debate SSD soutions when PC's dont have that problem. 



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- One showed a next generation demo to highlight next gen tecnologies
- One showed old gen game with cross gen improvements
In any case, considering the multiplaform nature of the engine I wouldn't be suprised if the UE5 demo runs at the same level or even better on Xbox Series X.
SSDs speed will likely give some advatage for sony in 1st party games.



Not sure why people are arguing on the SSD front. Its obvious that the PC will definitely catch and exceed what the PS5 is doing based on the fact that PC hardware is every changing and evolving. Sony did the right thing in increasing the SSD speed for their system and since Consoles will always be the lowest common detonator that means, SSDs will be the norm for all systems including the PC. Because of Sony and MS, SSD prices with become cheaper and PC gamers will have the option of purchasing the latest, fastest and expensive SSD when they release. The UE5 demo is a good barometer what to expect in about 2 to 3 years and PC gamers with big pockets probably will be enjoying those visuals at full HD, with HDR, maybe with more ray trace effects at 60FPS or higher. Nothing really changes based on MS and Sony hardware choices besides how soon the PC catch up and exceed.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
eva01beserk said:

Exactly depending on the application or availability or ease of use. That's why I put the 5 cars toghether being Better. Its defimetly possible but how often does it happen? Or would not you think that even if possible, or more efficient it would be way more complicated and more expensive for what you are actually getting out of it? I think if you talk to any project maneger in the world they will tell you that throwing money at a problem with diminishing returns is not thr best option. 

Its not what we belive. Its what tim Sweeny himself said. The CEO of epic who made the engine. And many said including me that its just a demo feturing the ps5 features. Where it to be made for the Xbox it would show things not capable on PlayStation. Thus tech demo is in no way direct xbox vs ps5 thing but some are really trying to make it so.

I will never try to censor someone. But in the same regard people have a right to show their displeasure with what others are doing. They could both ignore each other. No one here is in anyway trying to say that what he is saying is false just that is not a real comparison. Raid is not a factor in this topic there should never be a need to bring it up.

Of course RAID is a factor because it’s a factor on PC. It seems silly to rule that out because it’s not common when you’re making comparisons to console hardware that isn’t out yet and an engine for games that are years away. By the time any of us can experience anything being said by Sweeney, all of this “PS5 has a better SSD than PC!!!” nonsense will have aged very very poorly. 

Basically he was presented a challenge in regards to PC hardware and he found the answer and it bothers some of you. It’s basically this going on right now:

https://youtu.be/Dx32b5igLwA

Y’all object because there’s no refuting it. In the end it doesn’t make a lick of difference because again, by the time you can utilize this engine and hardware he won’t need to use a RAID setup to prove PC is better, there will be numerous drives on the market for PC that are superior. UE5 games will be looking and running better on PC hardware.

Console people fall for this PR every gen. Break the cycle.

Of course there will be better SSD's on pc eventually, but there probably won't be by the time the ps5 comes out. At least not in any shape or form that we'll be seeing in the average gaming pc. That's why epic said, pc will have some catching up to do.  

Think of it like this. Would any developer make a game with a minimum requirement of a 4x raid SSD? Of course not, it would be commercial suicide if they did that. Not saying Permalite is wrong, it's more that he's constantly stating the obvious. Yes, if budget isn't an issue you can always buy better hardware for pc. They use pc's to render pixar movies and launch spaceships to the moon, so yeah I'm guessing those things are more powerful than a $499 console. Doesn't that go without saying and does anyone really need to be reminded of that?

However, if we look at what the average gaming pc looks like, the Steam Hardware Survey provides plenty of scientific evidence that not many have a rig that's close to the specs of these next gen consoles (even though Permalite always refutes those facts). Some might think I'm a giant Sony fanboy but I play on almost everything, including Switch and pc. It's just that I'm not blindly loyal to one platform. Truth is I bought my pc a year ago for $999. I love it but I'm sure it's not going to cut it anymore when next gen kicks off. I'm not salty about it, though, and I'm not going to go out of my way saying things like I can probably still run next gen games in 540p. In fact I can't wait for a reason to upgrade and think Sony deserves major kudos for what they're trying to do with their SSD tech. 

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Machiavellian said:
Not sure why people are arguing on the SSD front. Its obvious that the PC will definitely catch and exceed what the PS5 is doing based on the fact that PC hardware is every changing and evolving. Sony did the right thing in increasing the SSD speed for their system and since Consoles will always be the lowest common detonator that means, SSDs will be the norm for all systems including the PC. Because of Sony and MS, SSD prices with become cheaper and PC gamers will have the option of purchasing the latest, fastest and expensive SSD when they release. The UE5 demo is a good barometer what to expect in about 2 to 3 years and PC gamers with big pockets probably will be enjoying those visuals at full HD, with HDR, maybe with more ray trace effects at 60FPS or higher. Nothing really changes based on MS and Sony hardware choices besides how soon the PC catch up and exceed.

Totally agree. I think it'll all depend on the prices of AMD and Nvidia's next gen gpu's how quickly pc catches up. If their mid-range models cost $500, like the RTX 2060, it could be a while, though. 



eva01beserk said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Link worked for me. Basically you’re objecting because it’s ironclad. 

I read that already, just proves my point further. Still not sure why anyone is upset or accusing him of trolling... do you not agree that by the time PS5 is out and UE5 games are out this will all be silly? Well look back on it and remember when people thought a console would drive PC design, kind of like how we look back at the same shit Epic said about past PS consoles and laugh.

That truly proves that you dont ever bother to understand what anyone is saying. Where you to pay attention I say that it wont matter in the future, because it dosent matter now. An SSD is not a bottle neck for PC's. So even faster SSD's in the future will mean nothing. PC's have more ram wich is by far more usefull, Sony's SSD solution is only there because consoles are limited by that 16gb used not only for graphics but os and what ever else. Thats new entry level laptops amount of ram. A gaming PC pretty much almost standart to have 32gb just for system and then what ever more the Graphics card offers. Anyone looking to upgrade a pc for gaming would not need more than a basic ssd. So its pointles to debate SSD soutions when PC's dont have that problem. 

Agree it’s pointless to debate because PC will surpass anything the consoles can do. And whether you think their back and forth matters or not is irrelevant. He was right, you can get a faster SSD setup on PC right now and the PS5 is still half a year off, let alone what we can get by the time the PS5 launches. Were both saying the same thing, PC is superior and it doesn’t matter, but lol he isn’t trolling by pointing out facts. Also so many people buying the PR with this event and actually believing this stuff kind of makes it less irrelevant.



Machiavellian said:
Not sure why people are arguing on the SSD front. Its obvious that the PC will definitely catch and exceed what the PS5 is doing based on the fact that PC hardware is every changing and evolving. Sony did the right thing in increasing the SSD speed for their system and since Consoles will always be the lowest common detonator that means, SSDs will be the norm for all systems including the PC. Because of Sony and MS, SSD prices with become cheaper and PC gamers will have the option of purchasing the latest, fastest and expensive SSD when they release. The UE5 demo is a good barometer what to expect in about 2 to 3 years and PC gamers with big pockets probably will be enjoying those visuals at full HD, with HDR, maybe with more ray trace effects at 60FPS or higher. Nothing really changes based on MS and Sony hardware choices besides how soon the PC catch up and exceed.

Wait, wait. "Its obvious that the PC will definitely catch and exceed", really? PC needs to catch up a stupid console? Arent PC´s better in everthing? Im confused. Now that i was about to spent 1000€ on an average PC, you say that i will have to catch up. hahahha. Ok, PS5 to my living room. Thanks, you just saved me around 500€.



Libi said:
Machiavellian said:
Not sure why people are arguing on the SSD front. Its obvious that the PC will definitely catch and exceed what the PS5 is doing based on the fact that PC hardware is every changing and evolving. Sony did the right thing in increasing the SSD speed for their system and since Consoles will always be the lowest common detonator that means, SSDs will be the norm for all systems including the PC. Because of Sony and MS, SSD prices with become cheaper and PC gamers will have the option of purchasing the latest, fastest and expensive SSD when they release. The UE5 demo is a good barometer what to expect in about 2 to 3 years and PC gamers with big pockets probably will be enjoying those visuals at full HD, with HDR, maybe with more ray trace effects at 60FPS or higher. Nothing really changes based on MS and Sony hardware choices besides how soon the PC catch up and exceed.

Wait, wait. "Its obvious that the PC will definitely catch and exceed", really? PC needs to catch up a stupid console? Arent PC´s better in everthing? Im confused. Now that i was about to spent 1000€ on an average PC, you say that i will have to catch up. hahahha. Ok, PS5 to my living room. Thanks, you just saved me around 500€.

I didn't know you could buy a ps5 right now? Can you send me the link cause I'd like to buy one myself.



                  

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