By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming - Unreal 5 Demo vs Series X Reveal

 

Which event got you more impressed?

Xbox Series X Gameplay Event 25 27.17%
 
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 Demo 67 72.83%
 
Total:92
eva01beserk on 15 May 2020
LudicrousSpeed said:
eva01beserk said:

Your are right facts are facts. Let's say I have a f150 that can tow 13k. But you have 5 gorillas that toghether can tow 18k. While you can definetly a range as ridicoulous as that sounds its possible. Is it relevant and/or will it ever be directly applied in usuable scenarios? I highly doubt it. So that fact is irelevant to the conversation. 

More like I have four F150’s that tow way more than yours. And if the discussion is about how towing more at once can get you better results then I guess it’s completely relevant and useful. After all you have people in the thread who actually believe this demo is only possible on PS5 and would have to be downgraded to run elsewhere. 

Nothing wrong with him pointing out that it’s nonsense. Maybe y’all should just stop engaging him if you’re tired of him shutting y’all down?

Exactly depending on the application or availability or ease of use. That's why I put the 5 cars toghether being Better. Its defimetly possible but how often does it happen? Or would not you think that even if possible, or more efficient it would be way more complicated and more expensive for what you are actually getting out of it? I think if you talk to any project maneger in the world they will tell you that throwing money at a problem with diminishing returns is not thr best option. 

Its not what we belive. Its what tim Sweeny himself said. The CEO of epic who made the engine. And many said including me that its just a demo feturing the ps5 features. Where it to be made for the Xbox it would show things not capable on PlayStation. Thus tech demo is in no way direct xbox vs ps5 thing but some are really trying to make it so.

I will never try to censor someone. But in the same regard people have a right to show their displeasure with what others are doing. They could both ignore each other. No one here is in anyway trying to say that what he is saying is false just that is not a real comparison. Raid is not a factor in this topic there should never be a need to bring it up.



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.

Around the Network
The Fury on 15 May 2020

Unreal 5 tech demo using PS5 architechture vs a Series X game reveal which (I presume based on the first game) is built on Unreal 4.

Eitherway, the Epic know how to make a good engine. Look forward to seeing what it can produce.



Hmm, pie.

goopy20 on 15 May 2020
Chazore said:
goopy20 said:

You seem like a knowledgeable guy, but I also never understood why you always have to go out of your way to downplay consoles and bring up pc superiority. Yes, if you slap 4 2080 Ti's and 20 SSD's in a pc it's going to be more powerful than a PS7, but what's the point if no developer is going to support it? The problem with pc has never been about a lack of powerful hardware, it's about what people are actually buying so it will get support from developers. Unfortunately, the Crysis days are behind us and I can't think of any AAA developer that's making games specifically for high-end pc hardware anymore. In fact, I can't think of any pc game that doesn't run at high settings on a 6-year-old GTX970 and a normal hdd. 

Right now, something like a 2080 Ti is great for playing in native 4k and 120fps, but most people don't care for that. Maybe it stings a little but tell me honestly that you weren't impressed with that Ureal 5 demo, even though its running on a console? Nobody is saying it can't run on pc, but the demo was so impressive because it's the first time that we finally got to see what a RTX2080 can do when you have a "game" that's specifically designed for it, instead of just running current gen games in 4k and a high fps. As both a pc and console gamer, I think this is great and can't wait to see that kind of tech finally getting supported on pc. 

I feel like there's some contradiction in your overall post here, because for one:

You're claiming he's downplaying consoles, when all he's doing is posting straight up facts, and you and others seem to take great offence to this, often resorting to the price argument.

You then go on to claim that PC can have all the hw in the world, but that it'll never be used in a "meaningful way", but consoles will, claiming like that's a straight up fact and totally not trying to downplay the opposite platform. It goes two ways, not one way, bud.

Then at the end, you're tossing in the "I'm from both camps, but totally not bias, not in the way Pem is!", and claim you're excited to see what this tech could do on PC's, yet your earlier comment before states that it doesn't matter what PC packs, because it'll never be realised, according to your own beliefs, so really that ends up contradicting what you say at the end, because going by your logic, this fancy "new" tech will never be "properly" realised on PC, because "devs don't bother pushing PC", and yet Pem has shown us multiple times, even CGI, another mod, has shown us that PC can still be pushed in numerous ways.

I just find this so tiresome, because I'm watching multiple folk trying to argue against two knowledgeable mods, one of which actually works with the tech and higher end hw, who actually does know more than most of you on here, but ya'll try to act like you've got 10 degrees worth of wiki knowledge on hw and tech. You're woefully outclassed and yet you refuse to admit this. There's a very valid reason why I hardly bother to contest the two of them, because I myself know and admit that I am not within their league of knowledge, and don't want to just spew pointless jargon. I know those two know what's up, and I respect them for that, I don't know why some of you here cannot see that.

It has nothing to do with hardware knowledge, its a simple matter of common sense. When Epic says "pc has some catching up to do with Sony's SSD" they're stating a simple fact and dismissing it as just sales talk is a bit easy. Sure, there's always better hardware around the corner on pc and nobody is saying that similar hardware doesn't exist at all for pc. But the fact is that 4x Raid SSD's isn't, and never will be, mainstream on pc.

With catching up, Epic means the time it will take before we can look at the Steam hardware survey and see that over 60% of its users have SSD's with similar speeds in their rigs. Same thing with the gpu as the vast majority of Steam gamers are using a GTX 1060 or lower right now. Obviously that will change over the years when new gpu's hit the market, but in that context, the pc still has some catching up to do.  

Last edited by goopy20 - on 15 May 2020

Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 15 May 2020

Tim says a lot of things which then either gets dis-proven or he back peddles so I wouldn't take his word on anything.

With that being said. Ps5 does have a god tier SSD compared to most consumer PCs and to me, that's a fact. However how much that will affect third party games as well as that engine remains to be seen and I wouldn't go assuming that running that same demo on the Series X or PC would make it have worse performance without actually knowing where the bottleneck is and how much of the SSD is being used... Cause remember, it is running at 1440p 30fps...



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

eva01beserk on 15 May 2020
SpokenTruth said:
kirby007 said:
he said she said it said

I said.

1. We all keep it civil in here (not directed specifically at you Kirby, just playing on your words because is sounded good).

2. Consoles will never have an overall advantage over PC.

If either of these are difficult for you to understand why,

ask 1). any VGC moderator.

ask 2). any technically proficient VGC member.

True. But consoles and PC are not plagued by the same constrictions. Something @permalite himself has made coments about. Not on this thread. But he himself has said that SSD speeds are not a bottle neck on PC's, as on PC you could just increase you system ram and remove any benefits you would gain from the ps5 ssd and even do more. Not just that, increasing the ram on a pc would have a way way way better cost to benefit ration than having a raid setup. He knows this very well and yet he feels the need to try to solve a problem on PC that dosent exist with over complicated and expensives solutions just to say PC's are better. At something that doent need to be better at. At some point its just trolling. 



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.

Around the Network
chakkra on 15 May 2020
goopy20 said:
Pemalite said:

Then why did PC's always held the graphical edge for the entire 7th gen if that was the case?

Even in 2006 when Oblivion came out and showcased what the Xbox 360 could do, it still looked and ran better on PC.

PC games are always that "step up" over console games.

When console gamers were gaming on the Playstation 2, PC gamers were using Tessellation in games... A hardware feature that wouldn't be standard until the Playstation 4 came out.
And you think the consoles were better than a gaming PC? Common.

Totally agree. BF3 was basically a different game on pc compared to the ps3/360 versions when those consoles just came out. Historically speaking, consoles have always been outdated the moment they launched compared to a main stream pc of that time. However, even you have to agree that's not looking to be the case next gen. This is the first time ever that consoles launch that are on par, and in case with the SSD, even exceed high end gaming pc's. 

Lets be real here, a 4x SSD raid set up isn't exactly main stream on pc and will probably cost more than the ps5 and Series X combined. This time around I'm guessing it will take some time before we'll see next gen console-like-specs become mainstream on pc, depending on the prices of Nvidia and AMD's new gpu's and next gen 1TB SSD's. 

Regarding the Unreal demo. Didn't Epic say that that specific demo requires at least a 5,5GB/s SSD to run at that same quality level? Obviously, Unreal 5 is a multi platform engine that'll scale all the way down to mobiles. However, it's also optimized for next gen storage and unless Epic is lying, it does sound that that particular demo couldn't run on anything but the ps5 at this time. Apparently, Epic has been working closely with Sony when they were designing Unreal 5.

"We’ve been working super close with Sony for quite a long time on storage. The storage architecture on the PS5 is far ahead of anything you can buy on anything on PC for any amount of money right now. It’s going to help drive future PCs. [The PC market is] going to see this thing ship and say, ‘Oh wow, SSDs are going to need to catch up with this.’

The key factor is not the speed or size of the drive, but the custom way in which Sony has engineered the drive to access data and assign priorities. Epic Games has been developing Unreal Engine 5 alongside the development of the PlayStation 5 and its SSD, working closely with Sony to optimize its next-gen engine not just in theory, but in practice on the hardware it will be running games on. The result is the PS5 gameplay tech demo we were able to see earlier today, an impressive—if aspirational—showcase of what’s possible when developers lean into these features."

They specifically said that this particular demo could run on a RTX 2070 Super with an NVMe SSD, and that you should still get"awesome performance" with that setup.



LudicrousSpeed on 15 May 2020
eva01beserk said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

More like I have four F150’s that tow way more than yours. And if the discussion is about how towing more at once can get you better results then I guess it’s completely relevant and useful. After all you have people in the thread who actually believe this demo is only possible on PS5 and would have to be downgraded to run elsewhere. 

Nothing wrong with him pointing out that it’s nonsense. Maybe y’all should just stop engaging him if you’re tired of him shutting y’all down?

Exactly depending on the application or availability or ease of use. That's why I put the 5 cars toghether being Better. Its defimetly possible but how often does it happen? Or would not you think that even if possible, or more efficient it would be way more complicated and more expensive for what you are actually getting out of it? I think if you talk to any project maneger in the world they will tell you that throwing money at a problem with diminishing returns is not thr best option. 

Its not what we belive. Its what tim Sweeny himself said. The CEO of epic who made the engine. And many said including me that its just a demo feturing the ps5 features. Where it to be made for the Xbox it would show things not capable on PlayStation. Thus tech demo is in no way direct xbox vs ps5 thing but some are really trying to make it so.

I will never try to censor someone. But in the same regard people have a right to show their displeasure with what others are doing. They could both ignore each other. No one here is in anyway trying to say that what he is saying is false just that is not a real comparison. Raid is not a factor in this topic there should never be a need to bring it up.

Of course RAID is a factor because it’s a factor on PC. It seems silly to rule that out because it’s not common when you’re making comparisons to console hardware that isn’t out yet and an engine for games that are years away. By the time any of us can experience anything being said by Sweeney, all of this “PS5 has a better SSD than PC!!!” nonsense will have aged very very poorly. 

Basically he was presented a challenge in regards to PC hardware and he found the answer and it bothers some of you. It’s basically this going on right now:

https://youtu.be/Dx32b5igLwA

Y’all object because there’s no refuting it. In the end it doesn’t make a lick of difference because again, by the time you can utilize this engine and hardware he won’t need to use a RAID setup to prove PC is better, there will be numerous drives on the market for PC that are superior. UE5 games will be looking and running better on PC hardware.

Console people fall for this PR every gen. Break the cycle.



eva01beserk on 15 May 2020
LudicrousSpeed said:
eva01beserk said:

Exactly depending on the application or availability or ease of use. That's why I put the 5 cars toghether being Better. Its defimetly possible but how often does it happen? Or would not you think that even if possible, or more efficient it would be way more complicated and more expensive for what you are actually getting out of it? I think if you talk to any project maneger in the world they will tell you that throwing money at a problem with diminishing returns is not thr best option. 

Its not what we belive. Its what tim Sweeny himself said. The CEO of epic who made the engine. And many said including me that its just a demo feturing the ps5 features. Where it to be made for the Xbox it would show things not capable on PlayStation. Thus tech demo is in no way direct xbox vs ps5 thing but some are really trying to make it so.

I will never try to censor someone. But in the same regard people have a right to show their displeasure with what others are doing. They could both ignore each other. No one here is in anyway trying to say that what he is saying is false just that is not a real comparison. Raid is not a factor in this topic there should never be a need to bring it up.

Of course RAID is a factor because it’s a factor on PC. It seems silly to rule that out because it’s not common when you’re making comparisons to console hardware that isn’t out yet and an engine for games that are years away. By the time any of us can experience anything being said by Sweeney, all of this “PS5 has a better SSD than PC!!!” nonsense will have aged very very poorly. 

Basically he was presented a challenge in regards to PC hardware and he found the answer and it bothers some of you. It’s basically this going on right now:

https://youtu.be/Dx32b5igLwA

Y’all object because there’s no refuting it. In the end it doesn’t make a lick of difference because again, by the time you can utilize this engine and hardware he won’t need to use a RAID setup to prove PC is better, there will be numerous drives on the market for PC that are superior. UE5 games will be looking and running better on PC hardware.

Console people fall for this PR every gen. Break the cycle.

First off your link leads to nothing

and second off all just read the quote I made to spokentruth to see why raid is not a factor.



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.

Hynad on 15 May 2020
LudicrousSpeed said:
eva01beserk said:

Exactly depending on the application or availability or ease of use. That's why I put the 5 cars toghether being Better. Its defimetly possible but how often does it happen? Or would not you think that even if possible, or more efficient it would be way more complicated and more expensive for what you are actually getting out of it? I think if you talk to any project maneger in the world they will tell you that throwing money at a problem with diminishing returns is not thr best option. 

Its not what we belive. Its what tim Sweeny himself said. The CEO of epic who made the engine. And many said including me that its just a demo feturing the ps5 features. Where it to be made for the Xbox it would show things not capable on PlayStation. Thus tech demo is in no way direct xbox vs ps5 thing but some are really trying to make it so.

I will never try to censor someone. But in the same regard people have a right to show their displeasure with what others are doing. They could both ignore each other. No one here is in anyway trying to say that what he is saying is false just that is not a real comparison. Raid is not a factor in this topic there should never be a need to bring it up.

Of course RAID is a factor because it’s a factor on PC. It seems silly to rule that out because it’s not common when you’re making comparisons to console hardware that isn’t out yet and an engine for games that are years away. By the time any of us can experience anything being said by Sweeney, all of this “PS5 has a better SSD than PC!!!” nonsense will have aged very very poorly. 

Basically he was presented a challenge in regards to PC hardware and he found the answer and it bothers some of you. It’s basically this going on right now:

https://youtu.be/Dx32b5igLwA

Y’all object because there’s no refuting it. In the end it doesn’t make a lick of difference because again, by the time you can utilize this engine and hardware he won’t need to use a RAID setup to prove PC is better, there will be numerous drives on the market for PC that are superior. UE5 games will be looking and running better on PC hardware.

Console people fall for this PR every gen. Break the cycle.

The reason people object is because the point is if you'd put the PS5 SSD in RAID or a similar setup in PCs, it would be better than current RAID setups. The SSD solution in the PS5 is unlike anything and that's the point. But it's countered with "yeah, but let me put 3 slower SSDs together and it will crush it. That isn't the fucking point.

Last edited by Hynad - on 15 May 2020

Dulfite on 15 May 2020

Still most mind blowing tech demo to me was Wii U Zelda one. Even after all these years that thing is just gorgeous!