Spiderman is an expansion, that's how the game could be completed in two years.

Your post is incredibly biased. Microsoft has new entries of big IPs in the works for this holiday season, but you call them nothing while at the same time you say ports of old Sony games would be something. Spiderman for the PS4 was released in September 2018, so you should figure that Morales is a quickly put together expansion for the PS5 launch.

It's likely that Halo Infinite will be developed as two separate versions (just like Forza Horizon 2 for Xbox 360 and Xbox One six years ago), so the one for Series X won't be held back by old hardware. We have yet to see the actual game, so we can't tell yet if HI will be more of Halo 5 or a return to form. I'll just remind people that Zelda sold only ~3.5m with Skyward Sword and Sony fans were completely convinced that Breath of the Wild couldn't be a system seller even after they had already seen it in elaborate action. Similar to Halo, Forza (the main series, not the Horizon spinoff that isn't relevant here) was on a downward trend, but this time around Microsoft is giving the development team more time than the previously stubborn two-year-rhythm.

But more important than exclusives is which console will become the choice for multiplats. That in and of itself would be the huge change that you had ruled out since the moment you started this thread. The PS4 was clearly the console of choice for multiplats in the previous gen, but the PS5 isn't looking like it can follow that path. Its only saving grace in recent weeks was its ultra fast SSD, but Sony's event did nothing to demonstrate an advantage in multiplatform games. Microsoft, however, can have multiplats run at higher fidelity and the pixel and special effects counters of Digital Foundry will probably find that the XSX versions of multiplats are superior.

At this point it's more or less just a matter of Microsoft getting the pricing of their console right. Sony is playing the waiting game because they probably realize that they are in a difficult spot. Microsoft could end the waiting game by simply announcing a conditional price for their XSX: "Whatever the PS5 will cost, that's what the XSX will cost too."

Halo Infinite and Forza 8, those are the new entries in big IPs. I see that the problem is that you use your personal opinion to judge the value of a game, hence why Halo and Forza are nothing in your eyes. Hence why Forza is a yearly racing franchise to you despite Forza and Forza Horizon not being the same thing.

Your twist of words (bolded) is weak. It's only since the PS3 vs. 360 generation that multiplats have mattered to such a high degree, because in all previous generations exclusive software was more important, meaning the bestsellers were exclusives. Since then we've had the 360 benefit big time from being the better console for multiplats, the PS4 benefited too, so it's a given that the performance of multiplatform games will matter a lot as well between the PS5 and XSX. You framed the blatantly obvious as better multiplats being the only thing that matters, but a straw man argument will do you no good here.

TLoU2 is a PS4 game, not a PS5 game. Ask yourself when Sony will be able to release another game of that caliber. Gran Turismo 7 got no 2021 release window. Horizon 2: Forbidden West didn't get a 2021 release window either. That's why Sony's PS5 event has pretty much been as favorable as it could be for Microsoft. Sony couldn't demonstrate any tangible advantages of their SSD, neither could Sony show that they'll have big games ready anytime soon. Look at those release dates:

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9164488

Forza being a yearly franchise isn't my opinion it's a fact. My criticism of Halo Infinite has nothing to do with my opinion on current gen Halo games. Hell, I don't even have an opinion on current gen Halo games. If Halo Infinite were exclusive to Series X or at least exclusive to Series X and PC, I'd agree that it would be a killer app. 

There's nothing to show that multiplats have ever mattered to a high degree in the manner you are talking about. It's based on nothing more than analyst assumptions. Marketshare increases and decreases are far easier explained by console prices, and exclusives. The 2017 launch of XB1X as "the best place to play multiplats", and then failing to help XB1 sales in any significant manner refutes your multiplats argument anyway. Your argument that Halo Infinite and Forza 8 will be killer apps has been refuted multiple times already. So that leaves your argument as simply "Series X will be the best place to play for multiplats!" So I'm not strawmanning you. Just addressing what's left of your bad argument after the first half has been refuted. 

TLoU2 is a PS4 game, not a PS5 game. 

Do you have a source from that? Or are you speculating? How do you know TLoU2 isn't getting a PS5 port? 

Cerebralbore101 said:

"Huge changes are required"

".. Nintendo .. had to massively change their strategies with the Switch"

Forza being a yearly franchise isn't my opinion it's a fact. My criticism of Halo Infinite has nothing to do with my opinion on current gen Halo games. Hell, I don't even have an opinion on current gen Halo games. If Halo Infinite were exclusive to Series X or at least exclusive to Series X and PC, I'd agree that it would be a killer app. 

There's nothing to show that multiplats have ever mattered to a high degree in the manner you are talking about. It's based on nothing more than analyst assumptions. Marketshare increases and decreases are far easier explained by console prices, and exclusives. The 2017 launch of XB1X as "the best place to play multiplats", and then failing to help XB1 sales in any significant manner refutes your multiplats argument anyway. Your argument that Halo Infinite and Forza 8 will be killer apps has been refuted multiple times already. So that leaves your argument as simply "Series X will be the best place to play for multiplats!" So I'm not strawmanning you. Just addressing what's left of your bad argument after the first half has been refuted. 

TLoU2 is a PS4 game, not a PS5 game. 

Do you have a source from that? Or are you speculating? How do you know TLoU2 isn't getting a PS5 port? 

I am going to list the points in order of importance in the PS5 vs. XSX battle:

1. Price
2. Performance of multiplat games
3. Regional preference/bias
4. Exclusives

It's looking very, very likely that Microsoft has secured point 2 (I doubt that third parties will prefer shorter loading times above higher fidelity, because better graphics has always been an easier selling point for games), but that wouldn't mean much if they can't nail the price. The XSX's performance advantage won't be worth an extra $100 to consumers, that's certain. Point 3 is something that is pretty much set and that neither company can change with a lot of help from the other company; Microsoft can count on an advantage in the USA and the UK if they cover point 1 and 2, Sony can count on the rest of the world. Exclusives can provide an extra edge, but most of the bestselling games on PS and Xbox consoles are multiplats.

In any case, if Microsoft gets point 1 and 2 right, then your thread is going to faceplant hard. I hope everyone realizes that point 1 and 2 aren't particularly difficult things to get right; they don't require any special skills or talent, but are rather just about providing powerful hardware at a good price. It's something that Microsoft failed at spectacularly in the previous generation, but it's usually the biggest mistakes that console manufacturers try to correct the most with their follow-up console.

Nintendo had 1 and 2, and hell, even 4 sometimes with the GameCube, and tell me how that turned out Rol. You are old enough to remember the $99 price cut, and I won't accept this retroactive narrative that a 2D Mario title or whatever was missing back then, because we have the Wii U to fill in most of these.

So far, from internet and social media statistics, search engine trends, reception and sales of current consoles and games etc. there is no reason to believe the next gen won't be a repeat of this one, or even more lopsided in Sony's favor. None whatsoever.

To try to gauge a hypothetical reason as to why you think that would be different is based, at best, in a number of extremely dubious and imprecise factors. As to everything else, there's no magic formula that guarantees success, except perhaps for success itself.