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Pok87 said:
eva01beserk said:

Then you might want to revise your prediction. As you have the ps5 selling less than the ps4. 

I didn't say that both consoles will sell better. The console market will expand, but the PS5 will sell slightly worse than the PS4, while the new Xbox will sell much better than the Xbox One.

So you are basically saying that MS will expand the market. Care to give a reason? As nothing suggest at the moment that will happen. Things could change after their first party line up is anounced. But as it stands it looks like MS is exiting the console space for cloud services. 



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Yes, they had a fantastic hand that involved defective consoles appearing to eliminate any advantage they had and a console that ran a longer life cycle and rode on the back of the highest sales margin of the previous generation.

MS doing what it did was pretty much proof that if MS was even a bit serious, there wouldn't be a war and just carnage. They could literally money bomb their way to victory, but investors would hate the CEO for it.



eva01beserk said:
Pok87 said:

I didn't say that both consoles will sell better. The console market will expand, but the PS5 will sell slightly worse than the PS4, while the new Xbox will sell much better than the Xbox One.

So you are basically saying that MS will expand the market. Care to give a reason? As nothing suggest at the moment that will happen. Things could change after their first party line up is anounced. But as it stands it looks like MS is exiting the console space for cloud services. 

Nothing remotely implies this. 

Seriously, the message is clear: PS5 will lose market share to XBS. 



AsGryffynn said:
eva01beserk said:

So you are basically saying that MS will expand the market. Care to give a reason? As nothing suggest at the moment that will happen. Things could change after their first party line up is anounced. But as it stands it looks like MS is exiting the console space for cloud services. 

Nothing remotely implies this. 

Seriously, the message is clear: PS5 will lose market share to XBS. 

What message is that? Care to elaborate? 



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Cerebralbore101 said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

From the guy who first came up with "HZD coming to PC" rumour first. Everyone laughed at him back then but see how it turned out. Now he says that Sony's launch lineup will look pale compared to Microsoft's for the most part due to Sony's leadership changes. 

Horizon Zero Dawn coming to PC is a factual claim. Sony's launch lineup looking pale compared to Xbox's is a subjective claim. This is from the guy that wrote a scathing review of Xenoblade 2 without even making it to the end credits. His personal opinion on the quality of games is a joke. His factual claims on the other hand are almost always right. A Jason S. rumor almost always turns out to be true, so long as it deals in fact, and not opinion. 

I was not referring to Jason Schreier though as he wasn't the first to come up with HZD claim. As for the rumour itself, it doesn't seem impossible to be true judging by the info we have. MS already presumably has at least 4 games in their launch line up (Halo:Infinite, The Ascent, The Medium, Scorn). Sony has 0.

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Pok87 said:
eva01beserk said:

Then you might want to revise your prediction. As you have the ps5 selling less than the ps4. 

I didn't say that both consoles will sell better. The console market will expand, but the PS5 will sell slightly worse than the PS4, while the new Xbox will sell much better than the Xbox One.

In the end it will all come down to the games. MS has a lot more to prove than Sony and if they can't improve their quality output of exclusives, I honestly don't see how Series X will sell better than the Xone. We'll see what they have in the pipeline when they do their July 1st party conference, but if it's going to be small scale Xone games, with an "optimized for Series X" logo like their last showing, they're going to get the same lukewarm reaction. All Sony would have to do is show just 1 tech demo of something like HZD2 that looks truly next gen like the Unreal demo, and it'll be an uphill battle for MS. 

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Runa216 said:
COKTOE said:

Not just inferior, but way more inferior eh? I'm almost afraid to ask where this rumor originates from.

fantasy. there's no reality behind it, just wishes from a biased source.

It's a pretty hot take, when I was just referring to the rumour which comes from the source with at least good credibility when it comes to leaks like this. But my question wasn't about the rumour itself. My question is that do you believe that PS5 flops if this rumour is true? You seem so obsessed with first party exclusives being the only factor in Xbox and Playstation console sales yet you can't explain how Nintendo consoles sales differ significantly from gen to gen despite Nintendo always making excellent first party exclusive games. WiiU had better exclusives than Xbox One, yet it sold only 1/4 of what Xbox One did. Xbox One had better or at least not worse first party than PS4 in 2013-2014, yet PS4 was outselling it 2:1.



 

DonFerrari said:

Care to explain how Sony turned over a 3 year bad momentum on PS3 versus Xbox360 within the next 3 years of that same gen but Xbox One wasn't capable to turn the 6 months bad momentum on X1 vs PS4 in the remaining 5 years?

Sony didn't have the PR nightmare that was RROD holding back the Playstation 4.
Sony didn't have a paid online service when the competition was free.
Sony didn't have the weaker hardware.

Lots of reasons why the Xbox One floundered and never managed to gain traction... And it was entirely Microsoft's fault.

Halo, Gears, Forza and Fable probably all helped to lift the Xbox 360 up.




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Cerebralbore101 said:

We are this far into next gen talk, and so far there is no large scale disaster for Sony. And the entire point of this thread was to point out just how many mountains need to be moved to change the sales ratio in a console war. 

Pure speculation, but many people think Sony is holding their cards so closely right now because they smell a train wreck and want to have a full spin-train ready when we finally get all of the details. They are already saying things like "let the sales speak for themselves", perhaps acknowledging that they've been outplayed in other ways.



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eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

It’s a new engine that streamlines development, 5 years in the making (instead of 3), all ready proven to learn about classic art styles, split screen, and Halo Reach armor unlock systems. Call us Halo fans cautiously optimistic. 

Real talk here, the only game that could touch Halo Infinite is LOU2, but that’s releasing soon and this won’t help much come November (by that I mean the hype will have worn off).  Horizon Zero Dawn, Spiderman 2, GOW 2 are all possible, but do you think they can be ready by this November? Maybe Horizon 2, MAYBE given it released in 2017 compared to the rest in 2018. But even then it’s a single player game up against a single player/multiplayer double threat.

Historically PS doesn’t launch with their best. Who still talks about Resistance and Killzone Shadowfall these days when reminiscing about old PS classics? 

So your preferences say halo will be better? Even though no more than a cg trailers has been release. But I cant argue against someones preference. 

Only established big game that we know is in development that could come is horizon 2. Dosent mean something we dont know off could still come. Considering also that Sony has better third party connections specially japannese studios. But even then, dint horizon sold way better than halo 5? And it was also well more critically aclaimed. So if it ended up with halo vs horizon I would put my money on horizon based on recent history.

Does MS launch with their best? What did the x1 launch with? Arent you one of the main ones saying launch games arent good? If so does that mean it's all down hill after halo infinite? 

Shikamaru said it very well. Just because Halo is in decline doesn’t mean it’s still not a huge franchise. Halo 4 and 5 have great metascores. I really wouldn’t talk dismissively about Halo as Halo 5 was only on one platform and to this day has a healthy multiplayer community.  Halo Infinite will be on 3 platforms, will have heavy marketing condensed in the final months of the year, limited edition bundle, and boosted with Game Pass. It’s gonna pull amazing numbers that, if played right will reach more people then even Halo 3. With 5 years, it’s really hard to rush and mess up the game. 

To be clear my stance is that next gen launch exclusives don’t score well. Forza 5 is a worst reviewed entry so it’s not just PS examples. Cross gen launch titles tend to score higher historically. I’d say saving Halo Infinite for the launch breaks tradition because they need to start on the right foot this time more then ever. 



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