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Cerebralbore101 said:
AsGryffynn said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
AsGryffynn said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
jason1637 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
There was a Trump parade in my town today, after he lost. Most of the drivers had their windows rolled down. I yelled "YOU LOST!!!" to each and every dumbass redneck passing me by. Normally I wouldn't be such a jackass in public. Maybe on the internet, but not in public. But these people rolling around with their stupid Nazi-level flags, AFTER their president lost is just ridiculous. Give it up. It's over.

Eh just like how in 2016 Democrats protested the election to get their voices heard i think its fair if Republicans do the same.

Democrats had a point though. The Electoral College is as inane and undemocratic as banning POC or Women from voting. Hillary won the election by 3 million votes, yet because of our antiquated system Donald was sent to the white house.

The person that gets the most votes wins an election. Simple as that. Anything else is thinly veiled tyranny.

The issue here is that bipartisanship means this rapidly devolves into a de facto one party state because no one will vote for the only viable alternative. Then what? 

1.Obama tried to resurrect bipartisanship, and McConnell kill it for good.

2. That assumes that a viable Republican alternative exists. They don't.

3. Even if they did exist they would never get the Republican nomination in the Trump era.

You haven't answered my question. Who opposes and has a shot at winning against the Democratic Party in that case? 

Other than winning the Presidency, the Democratic party did poorly this election. So what are you talking about?

You think there would be more red votes in a state like California if the EC was abolished? I don't think so. Any abolition of first by the post needs to be followed or go in tandem with the dissolution of one or both parties into three or four smaller parties. It's the only way to prevent de facto permanent Democratic Party control. 



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RolStoppable said:
European leaders seem to be satisfied with Biden winning, but they know that not much will change. "America first" will remain a thing, although Biden's interpretation will truly be "America first", not Trump's "America alone" which it was in reality.

Here's the major reason for my opposition: I'd rather have America in a time out than throwing their weight around. The only advantage is that European leaders are already used to misinterpreting/outright playing with America in order to stop their more destructive impulses. 

Hoping that things don't really go back to the "Trans-Atlantic Relationship" and Europe tells Biden the bridge was burned and they aren't rebuilding it. Tell them to focus on the stuff in their own backyard before leaping the sea. 



AsGryffynn said:
sundin13 said:

....What?

Assuming the Democratic Party remains as dominant as it does, who opposes them and has a shot at winning? 

The Republican Party has fallen behind in many aspects because they fail to represent the will of the people. If the system were to change to a popular vote system, perhaps they would be forced to change to better represent the people. Even still, why should we care that the party that isn't able to represent the people isn't elected as President (as others have stated, Congress wouldn't change under a popular vote system).

Besides, why is it literally anyone's problem but the Republicans that their platform is unable to secure votes? 



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Speaking as an outsider, the electoral college system is kinda fucked. Whoever gets the most votes should win, that's fundamentally how democracy is supposed to work.

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sundin13 said:
AsGryffynn said:
sundin13 said:

....What?

Assuming the Democratic Party remains as dominant as it does, who opposes them and has a shot at winning? 

The Republican Party has fallen behind in many aspects because they fail to represent the will of the people. If the system were to change to a popular vote system, perhaps they would be forced to change to better represent the people. Even still, why should we care that the party that isn't able to represent the people isn't elected as President (as others have stated, Congress wouldn't change under a popular vote system).

Besides, why is it literally anyone's problem but the Republicans that their platform is unable to secure votes? 

It really wouldn’t take that many tweaks to their platform to make them palatable to the electorate.  Removing trump and his strategy of insulting and demeaning half of America would go a long way.  Changing their immigration stance would also go a long way. Stuff like that.

The core message of the Republican Party of limited government, lower taxes, fiscal responsibility (if they remember that message) still resonates with a lot of people obviously.  



curl-6 said:

Speaking as an outsider, the electoral college system is kinda fucked. Whoever gets the most votes should win, that's fundamentally how democracy is supposed to work.

Most Americans would agree with you...?‍♂️



curl-6 said:

Speaking as an outsider, the electoral college system is kinda fucked. Whoever gets the most votes should win, that's fundamentally how democracy is supposed to work.

But but, not everyone (every state) is equal. Inequality needs to be upheld.



sundin13 said:
AsGryffynn said:
sundin13 said:

....What?

Assuming the Democratic Party remains as dominant as it does, who opposes them and has a shot at winning? 

The Republican Party has fallen behind in many aspects because they fail to represent the will of the people. If the system were to change to a popular vote system, perhaps they would be forced to change to better represent the people. Even still, why should we care that the party that isn't able to represent the people isn't elected as President (as others have stated, Congress wouldn't change under a popular vote system).

Besides, why is it literally anyone's problem but the Republicans that their platform is unable to secure votes? 

Because you have a two party system where they are the closest team to a viable one? The whole point of representative democracy is that most parties can win with less than 50 percent of the vote so long as they have a plurality. In a two party system where one party is clearly unelectable, you're going to have a de facto one party state. That's not really a good way to shore up the democracy argument. 

The effort would have to be conditioned to a restructuring of politics in the US. Both parties get nuked, because America can't move on until truly representative, non catch all parties emerge. I don't think the Green Party stands a chance to win the popular vote just because there's no EV. Or would you rather the US end up like Russia, where victories are the result of everything else being unelectable?