Astral said:
LurkerJ said:
Really not sure what you're talking about... Syria, Yemen, and Libya burnt to the ground under Obama's watch. Obama wouldn't call the coup a coup, and continued to send cash and weapons to the Egyptian army that stole the revolution. He allowed ISIS grew considerably in a very short amount of time. The only positive I could think was the Iran deal, other than that, Obama didn't move an inch, and broke his promises about pulling out.
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I can't blame the US president for our problems, can I? The truth is, ISIS grew among us and we allowed it. We live in a developing country, our attempts to change usually results in chaos and death, we pretty much don't know how to change things for the better. But that is our problem.
Maybe Obama was wise not to get too involved? On the other hand Trump has been an agent of chaos. Pulling out of the deal with Iran. The recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel. Assassination of Qasem Soleimani and bragging about it on Twitter. Most, if not all of his decisions did nothing but disturbing the region.
Anyways, all of this is off-topic I have no interest in changing anyone's mind. Just sharing my own.
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First of all, props on taking some of the blame on why the ME is a mess. But Obama and Bush were as heavily involved as any other POTUS.
If you want to go through examples of beloved figures assassinated or publicly humiliated and sentenced to death, I can think of no better examples than Qadaffi and Sadam Hussein, their death and the way they died (find it on youtube) sparked and still sparks so much anger among the Muslim world. Qasem Soleimani doesn't even compare, especially that he's a shia which makes most of the Sunni world indifferent to his death. Even then the "bragging" bit applies to all administrations:
Hillary laughing sociopathically she got Qaddafi killed:
Bush openly brags about his WMD lies
The only reason Trump bragging is a bigger deal because the media makes it so.
As for Palestine, it's a damn shame that the USA has allowed Israel to continue to steal lands and build illegal settlement for decades now, one of many international laws Israel managed to break emboldened by the USA support. What Trump did was a continuation of the USA's policy in the ME, I think it was gonna happen at one point regardless of which president Americans chose. I assure you if Biden wins, he'll continue where Trump left off and nothing will be reversed. At least many peace accords are being signed this year between Israel and heavily religious countries like Saudi Arabia, which I think is a great achievement for Trump. Unfortunately for Palestinians, they got betrayed by their neighbors and the international community as a whole, but hey, maybe a new chapter can begin now with realistic expectations? Terrible of me to say I know, but you have no international support, forget international support, not even Islamic countries care that much about your cause anymore when the gulf states, including Saudi Arabia, are standing in line to sign deals with Israel.
Overall, USA's foreign policies are despicable and will continue to be If Biden wins, and you will hear less about how despicable it is from the media and the people, it's always been like this, which makes me a lot less sympathetic to USA's manufactured internal conflicts like the imaginary systemic racism of the police; "Hey, I know our leaders policies have been disastrous in many parts of the world, and as a results, thousands died and continue to die, get displaced or become homeless in a systemic manner, but can you put that aside for a second and be outraged over this isolated incident of police brutality against a man with extensive criminal record? thanks!"
... yeah, nope.
Last edited by LurkerJ - on 04 November 2020