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EnricoPallazzo said:
I' m stupid and uneducated, please help me.
Why Arizona has been called with 83% of the votes and Wisconsin not with 94% of the votes if the difference is so close?

Arizona:
83%
Biden 51.4%
Trump 47.3%
+4.1

Wisconsin:
94%
Trump 51.1%
Biden 47.4%
+3.8

In both cases, what was mostly left to count were votes from cities, which favor the democrats. So Arizona got called because Trump does't have a pathway for victory there anymore while the same circumstances allow the democrats to catch up in Wisconsin (and are the reason why Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia are still open)



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vivster said:
uran10 said:
Just Going to point out 1 thing. The fact that this election is this close after how badly Trump screwed up covid is proof of how bad a candidate Joe Biden was/is and why during the Primary we screamed over and over that he was the worst choice the dems could make. That's all I wanted to say.

I don't think it's necessarily Biden's fault. Sanders or Warren wouldn't have fared better. It doesn't really matter who runs when there are people who refuse to vote for an individual who essentially wants the same thing as everyone else in his party just because they don't like the cut of his jib. And anyone who would vote for Trump rather than literally any other human is lost anyway.

There are a bunch of popular policy ideas that the people in general support. Biden has come out multiple times over to say he doesn't support them. He has even gone on record to say he would veto M4A. He's offering nothing.



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Zoombael said:
SvennoJ said:
I can't believe it's close. Biden isn't great, not even good, but why do so many people want 4 more years of Trump. I honestly don't get it. And sill no one voting for a 3rd candidate? This year was the time to break out with a new party. If a 3rd party can't even make a dent this election, the usa will never become a democracy.

You had more than enough time to get it. I got it, because i actually listened to the people who want 4 more years of Trump.

Maybe Trump voters should articulate better why they support Trump.  Whenever I try to listen they just parrot the same stuff Trump says, which isn't very much.



Zoombael said:
SvennoJ said:
I can't believe it's close. Biden isn't great, not even good, but why do so many people want 4 more years of Trump. I honestly don't get it. And sill no one voting for a 3rd candidate? This year was the time to break out with a new party. If a 3rd party can't even make a dent this election, the usa will never become a democracy.

You had more than enough time to get it. I got it, because i actually listened to the people who want 4 more years of Trump.

Do i get why Biden has so many votes after his blatant racist remarks, e.g. Latino vs. Black community. The ignorance behind this statement was baffling and i actually felt offended.

I listened to his argument (and the one of his supporters), and still I can't understand why they aren't revolted about it. No offense intended, but to me, his and their line of thinking it's just sick.

I agree that Biden is a bad candidate, just somewhat better than Clinton was. But to me, Clinton, despite being a really bad candidate and the worst the democrats fielded in decades, was still infinitely better than Trump in pretty much everything.



Astral said:
LurkerJ said:

Really not sure what you're talking about... Syria, Yemen, and Libya burnt to the ground under Obama's watch. Obama wouldn't call the coup a coup, and continued to send cash and weapons to the Egyptian army that stole the revolution. He allowed ISIS grew considerably in a very short amount of time. The only positive I could think was the Iran deal, other than that, Obama didn't move an inch, and broke his promises about pulling out. 

I can't blame the US president for our problems, can I? The truth is, ISIS grew among us and we allowed it. We live in a developing country, our attempts to change usually results in chaos and death, we pretty much don't know how to change things for the better. But that is our problem.

Maybe Obama was wise not to get too involved? On the other hand Trump has been an agent of chaos. Pulling out of the deal with Iran. The recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel. Assassination of Qasem Soleimani and bragging about it on Twitter. Most, if not all of his decisions did nothing but disturbing the region.

Anyways, all of this is off-topic I have no interest in changing anyone's mind. Just sharing my own.

First of all, props on taking some of the blame on why the ME is a mess. But Obama and Bush were as heavily involved as any other POTUS.

If you want to go through examples of beloved figures assassinated or publicly humiliated and sentenced to death, I can think of no better examples than Qadaffi and Sadam Hussein, their death and the way they died (find it on youtube) sparked and still sparks so much anger among the Muslim world. Qasem Soleimani doesn't even compare, especially that he's a shia which makes most of the Sunni world indifferent to his death. Even then the "bragging" bit applies to all administrations:

Hillary laughing sociopathically she got Qaddafi killed:

Bush openly brags about his WMD lies 

The only reason Trump bragging is a bigger deal because the media makes it so. 

As for Palestine, it's a damn shame that the USA has allowed Israel to continue to steal lands and build illegal settlement for decades now, one of many international laws Israel managed to break emboldened by the USA support. What Trump did was a continuation of the USA's policy in the ME, I think it was gonna happen at one point regardless of which president Americans chose. I assure you if Biden wins, he'll continue where Trump left off and nothing will be reversed. At least many peace accords are being signed this year between Israel and heavily religious countries like Saudi Arabia, which I think is a great achievement for Trump. Unfortunately for Palestinians, they got betrayed by their neighbors and the international community as a whole, but hey, maybe a new chapter can begin now with realistic expectations? Terrible of me to say I know, but you have no international support, forget international support, not even Islamic countries care that much about your cause anymore when the gulf states, including Saudi Arabia, are standing in line to sign deals with Israel. 

Overall, USA's foreign policies are despicable and will continue to be If Biden wins, and you will hear less about how despicable it is from the media and the people, it's always been like this, which makes me a lot less sympathetic to USA's manufactured internal conflicts like the imaginary systemic racism of the police; "Hey, I know our leaders policies have been disastrous in many parts of the world, and as a results, thousands died and continue to die, get displaced or become homeless in a systemic manner, but can you put that aside for a second and be outraged over this isolated incident of police brutality against a man with extensive criminal record? thanks!"

... yeah, nope. 

Last edited by LurkerJ - on 04 November 2020

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Biden becoming more likely now, Trump kind of fading

God bless America, I really hope this election doesn't end up in BLM style 'protests'



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Michigan is about to flip, 90% counted and Biden is only 0.3% behind anymore

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 04 November 2020

From UK. So who won???

Dopey Joe or Detol Trump?



foodfather said:
From UK. So who won???

Dopey Joe or Detol Trump?

Biden will flip at least Michigan and Wisconsin and win most likely.

It will probably got o court though as those states received tons of ballots today in the morning, the vast majority for Joe Biden. 



6:00 AM: Nevada update:

That’s it for election results updates until 9:00 am on Nov. 5.

Here’s what has been counted so far:
-All in person early votes
-All in person Election Day votes
-All mail ballots through Nov.2

Here’s what is left to count:
-Mail ballots received on Election Day
-Mail ballots that will be received over the next week
-Provisional ballots Ballots outstanding is difficult to estimate in Nevada because every voter was sent a mail ballot. Obviously, not all will vote.