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sundin13 said:

Trump posted the full 60 Minutes interview that he walked out of, and it is not a fun watch.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/522254-trump-posts-full-60-minutes-interview-showing-him-walking-out

I feel like the Chris Wallace interview and the Axios interview both did a good job of working with Trump's mental deficiencies to create a valuable experience, but I'm ten minutes into this interview and it is just the interviewer asking a question and Trump rambling for several minutes while she tries to rephrase the question in a way he understands. It is painful and so far, I do not recommend.

I would say that this isn't going to have any affect on basically anything unless something changes.

EDIT: 

About 20 minutes in:

Interviewer: Do you want to leave [ObamaCare]?

Trump: No, I don't want to leave it. I want to see what happens [in the Supreme Court]. We may be stuck with it if we lose in the Supreme Court."

That's kind of....wow, that's Trump admitting that he has given up on Repealing/Replacing ObamaCare through legislation. This should be a headline.

Republicans have had 10 years to come up with something better than the ACA, and have provided nothing. And the ACA is an incredibly not extreme healthcare plan.

The party has little to offer besides "Grrrrrrr... liberals bad!"



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I just watched the interview, and I do have to say, stahl was being terrible to trump. I’m no fan of trump by any means, but the whole time she is just basically attacking him. That really isn’t anyway to interview somebody. I think it is crazy that trump still has no answer for what he wants to do with his second term yet... how does he still not have an answer for that!?



gergroy said:
I just watched the interview, and I do have to say, stahl was being terrible to trump. I’m no fan of trump by any means, but the whole time she is just basically attacking him. That really isn’t anyway to interview somebody. I think it is crazy that trump still has no answer for what he wants to do with his second term yet... how does he still not have an answer for that!?

I mean, Trump has done and said a lot of shit that he should be questioned on, and when he inevitably doesn't answer, his feet should be held to the fire. I think that the interviewer did a poor job, but by no means should we see Trump as a victim of anything other than his own idiocy. 



gergroy said:
sundin13 said:

Trump posted the full 60 Minutes interview that he walked out of, and it is not a fun watch.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/522254-trump-posts-full-60-minutes-interview-showing-him-walking-out

I feel like the Chris Wallace interview and the Axios interview both did a good job of working with Trump's mental deficiencies to create a valuable experience, but I'm ten minutes into this interview and it is just the interviewer asking a question and Trump rambling for several minutes while she tries to rephrase the question in a way he understands. It is painful and so far, I do not recommend.

I would say that this isn't going to have any affect on basically anything unless something changes.

EDIT: 

About 20 minutes in:

Interviewer: Do you want to leave [ObamaCare]?

Trump: No, I don't want to leave it. I want to see what happens [in the Supreme Court]. We may be stuck with it if we lose in the Supreme Court."

That's kind of....wow, that's Trump admitting that he has given up on Repealing/Replacing ObamaCare through legislation. This should be a headline.

Striking down Obamacare without a replacement would be such a disaster.  I would think so much so that even most republicans wouldn’t be on board with it (except the obvious extremists).  People like my brother who has MS would basically be kicked off their coverage and then denied new coverage because of preexisting conditions.  The medication he takes to hold off the MS would be a couple thousand a month without coverage.  His only option would be to basically let the disease ravage him...

All Trump needs to do is say that he has replaced it with 'something terrific', and he'll have the same support as he does after every other similar lie.
I don't think a lot of people will realize the problem until it affects them personally. And even then I'm sure he could somehow blame the democrats for this.

It doesn't have to make sense, because a large chunk of his base don't know how to fact check anything to save their life. Literally.

gergroy said:

basically... I just hope the politicians aren’t dumb enough to let it be repealed without at least putting some protections in place for people like my brother...

I imagine the vast majority are well aware of the implications. They just value money more than the lives of the weak and poor.

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sundin13 said:
gergroy said:
I just watched the interview, and I do have to say, stahl was being terrible to trump. I’m no fan of trump by any means, but the whole time she is just basically attacking him. That really isn’t anyway to interview somebody. I think it is crazy that trump still has no answer for what he wants to do with his second term yet... how does he still not have an answer for that!?

I mean, Trump has done and said a lot of shit that he should be questioned on, and when he inevitably doesn't answer, his feet should be held to the fire. I think that the interviewer did a poor job, but by no means should we see Trump as a victim of anything other than his own idiocy. 

Very true, but trump also has a point that a lot of the media doesn’t hold Biden to the same level of accountability.  If you look at the over 40 years in politics, Biden has done a lot of crap.  He should be getting some of these tough question interviews too.  

Mostly though, I just think the interviewer did a bad job.  I think she obviously had no idea how to approach trump.  She almost immediately started interrupting him before he could even finish his thought, almost like she was trying to debate him.  I think she was just trying to get clips of him flustered.  



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JWeinCom said:

Republicans have had 10 years to come up with something better than the ACA, and have provided nothing. And the ACA is an incredibly not extreme healthcare plan.

The party has little to offer besides "Grrrrrrr... liberals bad!"

Republicans are now Red Scare: The Party



Polling for today is same old same old.

Biden is down slightly, .1%. 

ABD/TIPP has Biden at a 4.5% lead now, so it seems like their 2% poll was perhaps a bit of an aberration. Still below the average though.

Time has a poll in Kansas showing Trump up by 7 in Kansas... which is pretty bad. Trump won the state by 21% in 2016. Really shouldn't be close. Similarly they have him up by 8 in South Carolina, another state that should really be a double digit lead. 

Washington post has Biden up by 11 in Virginia. Clinton won by 5. We're seeing a similar shift in red and blue states. Morning consult has Biden up by 16 in Colorado, where Clinton won by 5. 

Morning consult has Biden up by 7 in Florida, continuing a trend of good results there.

There are a few bright spots for Trump though. Morning consult has him up by 1 in Arizona, the first time in a while he's been shown to be ahead there. Rasmussen and Trafalgar show leads in North Carolina and Michigan respectively. The latter two pollsters have already been discussed, so take their results as you will.

Compared to 2016, this is around the time Hillary started declining, but we're not seeing that this time around. It's hard to see what would change the election. The Hunter Biden story didn't seem to do it. It's hard to imagine they're sitting on anything bigger, because if they were, they'd surely have released it before people already voted. About 1/3 of people who will vote have done so already, and more of Biden's supporters have already done so. The more people vote early, the less anything can change.

The biggest opportunity for Trump is tonight. The debate and its format presents opportunities. Trump won't be mic'd during Biden's time, but this means that Trump can potentially be interrupting and distracting Biden when we can't hear it, making him seem flummoxed for no reason (unless the cameras show both candidates which they probably should). Alternatively, the image of Trump yelling when nobody can hear him may be even worse then when he can. Or, maybe Trump will actually just shut up when it's not his time to speak.

Trump will undoubtedly bring up Hunter Biden, and we'll see how Biden handles it. He might attack Giuliani's credibility, which is a bit easier today than a few days ago, he might try to ignore it as though it's too ridiculous to respond to, he might try to lump it together with other conspiracy theories Trump deals in. I still don't think the story is a huge deal, but Biden has a chance to respond and could either add gas to it, or smother it. Personally, I think the best option is to bring it up proactively. It's going to come up, so might as well take the opportunity and frame it as you want. 

It's hard to see Biden make a gaffe big enough to sway things, because he really hasn't so far. The worst thing he said was the "you ain't black comment". Which was dumb but not really didn't make much of an impact. Other than that, he really hasn't done much to give credence to the narrative the Trump campaign has been trying to run with. He's actually been pretty sharp.

And the comparison of the two speaking uninterrupted may help Biden. Biden can and does give specific policy details... often way more detail than anyone wants. Trump gives rants. In the first debate, Biden couldn't speak interrupted, and fell to Trump's level. Biden could potentially rise to the level of "Presidential" and Trump really can't get there.

We'll see what happens. All signs point to this debate changing nothing and Biden winning, but in 2020 nothing can be taken for granted.



So what are we expecting from this debate? More chaos and talking over each other? Does it really matter? Not sure I know anybody that is still undecided...



gergroy said:
So what are we expecting from this debate? More chaos and talking over each other? Does it really matter? Not sure I know anybody that is still undecided...

Hopefully at least not that again, as they can mute the mics now...



gergroy said:
So what are we expecting from this debate? More chaos and talking over each other? Does it really matter? Not sure I know anybody that is still undecided...

I expect Trump to spent a lot of time complaining that he can't talk over Biden.