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padib said:
Moren said:

Took long enough for you to take off your mask.

An ad-hominem, I'm so shocked!

In reality, when I made my post, something told me that you'd be the first to reply, then Jwein. You just can't accept that someone has a concervative opinion, and now look, you  ad-hominem me.

I don't have and never had a mask, this was my opinion all along. For you however I can't say the same. All you do is push your leftist agenda non-stop on political threads, your deception is so predictable.

Your post was not about depicting your conservative opinion it was about being anti-Left. It was about taking a shit on the Left with claims that, has other pointed out with actual sources, have no basis in reality. Your entire post is fueled by conspiracy theories and show lacks of critical thinking and/or any efforts whatsoever on your part to simply question them.



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padib said:
Hiku said:

What does this mean? Are you saying that Covid isn't a real virus? Or that people shouldn't wear masks/practice social distancing?

What do you suggest people do?

Covid is a virus, and a paper tiger.

People who do not have a health condition and who are under the age of 40 should not wear the mask. They should contract the virus, boost their immune systems, and continue to work.

Compare that with what we have to go through, an honestly absurd situation.

  • People are getting tazed because they refuse to wear a mask while outdoors, at a soccer game, surrounded by family. This makes no sense.
  • Small business are closing down because people are too afraid to visit small boutiques. Superstores are flourishing (Walmart) and online commerces are booming (Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Zoom, etc).
  • The economy of certain american states is crumbling, and here in canada many people are losing jobs.
  • The covid death count is being manipulated so that the numbers are inflated. That's unacceptable.
  • The police are given a right to enter people's homes without a warrant to arrest and fine people who do not respect the rules about the number of people who can congregate.
  • I can't hug my family members, for no good reason. My grandmother is living on a thread because only my aunt can see her.
  • I lost two employees in my business.

This is all for what? There is nothing that tells us that COVID is what the media has bombarded us with, all the fear and confusion and ignorance. The COVID is not the problem we are led to believe it is, but it is only a scare, a magic trick played by the elite to lead us to a globalized police government.

We all need to be very careful about what we're allowing our governments to do, and this is not just in the US, but all around the globe. People have become numb to common sense and to the defence of their sovereinty and rights.

For me, right now, Trumps election means more to me than any election has ever had for any nation, even more so than Belarus, Egypt and Israel or my own Canada. Trump is fighting a war against the global machine that Kennedy warned us against, and got assassinated for. It's time we finally do something about this invisible mob and fight.

JWeinCom said:

Sorry for your troubles. Seems a lot of people understood me just fine, so I guess it was a preexisting condition. If you have anything approaching valid critique go for it. If not, bugger off.

Feels shitty, doesn't it? That's how it is to have a conservative opinion here. There's just no room for it and no tolerance. My post post wasn't anti-left like some are saying, it's the truth. I just described the left as I saw it, and if it's negative, then that's what it objectively is. I'm not being anti-something if that something is negative.

People who do not have a health condition and who are under the age of 40 should not wear the mask. They should contract the virus, boost their immune systems, and continue to work.

You know death is not the only bad thing associated with covid19. Long term or even permanent loss of smell, taste and permanent lungs damages (among others) are possibilities and are prominent in people that have a high recovery rate :
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200413132809.htm
https://www.vumc.org/coronavirus/latest-news/five-things-know-about-smell-and-taste-loss-covid-19

And this should be enough reason for anyone to try to avoid getting Covid.



padib said:

Compare that with what we have to go through, an honestly absurd situation.

  • People are getting tazed because they refuse to wear a mask while outdoors, at a soccer game, surrounded by family. This makes no sense.

I find it similarly absurd that this is the line. We've just been through a summer of demonstrations over police brutality all around the world, with the right scoffing to a chorus of "they weren't following orders" and "it was justified", but as soon as a white woman is tased for not following police orders, we are suddenly in a leftist police state. 

The right has made their bed alongside the police. The blame rests on the right when this militant police overreach overflows onto your doorstep. Your options are either admit that the left is right and maybe we should pull back on policing or double down, lick the boot and say "yes, this is what I asked for".



padib said:
Moren said:

Took long enough for you to take off your mask.

An ad-hominem, I'm so shocked!

In reality, when I made my post, something told me that you'd be the first to reply, then Jwein. You just can't accept that someone has a concervative opinion, and now look, you  ad-hominem me.

I don't have and never had a mask, this was my opinion all along. For you however I can't say the same. All you do is push your leftist agenda non-stop on political threads, your deception is so predictable.

Hue. Glad about the "leftist agenda" descriptor.



padib said:
sundin13 said:

I find it similarly absurd that this is the line. We've just been through a summer of demonstrations over police brutality all around the world, with the right scoffing to a chorus of "they weren't following orders" and "it was justified", but as soon as a white woman is tased for not following police orders, we are suddenly in a leftist police state. 

The right has made their bed alongside the police. The blame rests on the right when this militant police overreach overflows onto your doorstep. Your options are either admit that the left is right and maybe we should pull back on policing or double down, lick the boot and say "yes, this is what I asked for".

Both are obviously wrong.

Haven't you heard that two wrongs don't make a right?

Yet here you are, preaching the good word of conservatism which doesn't agree with the words that you are saying. Here you are, standing by Trump, who has famously advocated in favor of more police violence and more police overreach. Trump who says the solution to our problems is more law enforcement with even less oversight. Saying that Trump is the only man who can save us, then listing problems he has helped create...



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padib said:
Hiku said:

What does this mean? Are you saying that Covid isn't a real virus? Or that people shouldn't wear masks/practice social distancing?

What do you suggest people do?

Covid is a virus, and a paper tiger.

People who do not have a health condition and who are under the age of 40 should not wear the mask. They should contract the virus, boost their immune systems, and continue to work.

Compare that with what we have to go through, an honestly absurd situation.

  • People are getting tazed because they refuse to wear a mask while outdoors, at a soccer game, surrounded by family. This makes no sense.
  • Small business are closing down because people are too afraid to visit small boutiques. Superstores are flourishing (Walmart) and online commerces are booming (Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Zoom, etc).
  • The economy of certain american states is crumbling, and here in canada many people are losing jobs.
  • The covid death count is being manipulated so that the numbers are inflated. That's unacceptable.
  • The police are given a right to enter people's homes without a warrant to arrest and fine people who do not respect the rules about the number of people who can congregate.
  • I can't hug my family members, for no good reason. My grandmother is living on a thread because only my aunt can see her.
  • I lost two employees in my business.

This is all for what? There is nothing that tells us that COVID is what the media has bombarded us with, all the fear and confusion and ignorance. The COVID is not the problem we are led to believe it is, but it is only a scare, a magic trick played by the elite to lead us to a globalized police government.

We all need to be very careful about what we're allowing our governments to do, and this is not just in the US, but all around the globe. People have become numb to common sense and to the defence of their sovereinty and rights.

For me, right now, Trumps election means more to me than any election has ever had for any nation, even more so than Belarus, Egypt and Israel or my own Canada. Trump is fighting a war against the global machine that Kennedy warned us against, and got assassinated for. It's time we finally do something about this invisible mob and fight.

JWeinCom said:

Sorry for your troubles. Seems a lot of people understood me just fine, so I guess it was a preexisting condition. If you have anything approaching valid critique go for it. If not, bugger off.

Feels shitty, doesn't it? That's how it is to have a conservative opinion here. There's just no room for it and no tolerance. My post post wasn't anti-left like some are saying, it's the truth. I just described the left as I saw it, and if it's negative, then that's what it objectively is. I'm not being anti-something if that something is negative.

XD XD XD XD XD XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for demonstrating so perfectly your own hypocrisy. I couldn't have done it better myself. Managing to express those two sentiments back to back is a level of doublethink that Big Brother would be proud of.

If you call people on the left brainwashed, anti-democratic, anti-american, hostile, greedy, and manipulative, without a shred of evidence to back it up, that's "what it objectively is". Your opinions apparently are infallible. 

When people criticize you for saying stupid shit, "WAAAAAAH! THEY'RE BEING INTOLERANT!" 

You're allowed to attack whatever you don't like, and if someone attacks back it's intolerance. You don't want the freedom to express your opinion, you want freedom from criticism. You want a safe space just like the snowflake in chief.

You are entitled to express your conservative opinion. You are not entitled to a soap box to say whatever you wish with immunity from criticism and no obligation to back your shit up. If that's what you're after, you will not be allowed in this thread. You can claim it's because you're conservative, but I assure you, it's because you're posting nothing but allegations, assertions, and attacks, and showing no interest in genuine conversation.

If you do choose to respond be mindful of this rule "Moderators will look at overt discrimination very harshly. Blatant forms of racism, sexism, homophobia, or any other sort of hatred towards a group of people(s) will not be tolerated and will be met with firm moderation. This is a place for any and every type of person, so try to avoid generalizing any group." We've actually been more tolerant than we should be, just to avoid the inevitable whining that you're being persecuted for being conservative, but you are in fact violating the forum rules. If someone said being a Nintendo fan is objectively negative, they'd get banned in a second. We give a little more of a leash for political stuff, but you're at the end of it. You can attack democratic positions, you can not attack democrats. If you can't do one without the other, post at your own risk. 

P.S. You can absolutely be "anti" something that is negative. I am anti-rape, anti-murder, anti-Hawaiian Pizza, and anti-your ridiculous post. 

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 28 October 2020

Good lord this thread is a disgrace, for both sides.

Thank god most political stuff is contained in this thread, otherwise this forum( and any other, for that matter) would be really emotionally consuming.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
Good lord this thread is a disgrace, for both sides.

Thank god most political stuff is contained in this thread, otherwise this forum( and any other, for that matter) would be really emotionally consuming.

Alright, thanks for stopping by to tell everyone they suck. If that's all you have to contribute, then just avoid this topic altogether.



Hiku said:
Nautilus said:
Good lord this thread is a disgrace, for both sides.

Thank god most political stuff is contained in this thread, otherwise this forum( and any other, for that matter) would be really emotionally consuming.

People are individually responsible for their own posts. Grouping everyone into 'two sides' instead of tagging the people you're referring to makes drive-by callouts like this pointless.

JWeinCom said:
Nautilus said:
Good lord this thread is a disgrace, for both sides.

Thank god most political stuff is contained in this thread, otherwise this forum( and any other, for that matter) would be really emotionally consuming.

Alright, thanks for stopping by to tell everyone they suck. If that's all you have to contribute, then just avoid this topic altogether.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Jesus.

It's not that you guys suck. It's that you guys don't discuss, but rather jump on people throats for not sharing the same opinion. It's the same back in the COVID thread. If you didn't think that the virus was that big of a deal and was more worried about the economical fallout of all this, you were gunned down for being "heartless".

The way things are going here( In my opinion ), no worthwhile discussion is going to happen, but rather only the exchange of insults, as the recent posts suggest. Just take a breath guys, the world is not going to end tomorrow.

And you both are suppossed to be mods. Can't believe I have to be the one saying this to you both.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

padib said:
EpicRandy said:

People who do not have a health condition and who are under the age of 40 should not wear the mask. They should contract the virus, boost their immune systems, and continue to work.

You know death is not the only bad thing associated with covid19. Long term or even permanent loss of smell, taste and permanent lungs damages (among others) are possibilities and are prominent in people that have a high recovery rate :
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200413132809.htm
https://www.vumc.org/coronavirus/latest-news/five-things-know-about-smell-and-taste-loss-covid-19

And this should be enough reason for anyone to try to avoid getting Covid.

At the expense of everything I wrote (loss of jobs, loss of freedom, unrest) no it is absolutely not.

I am in contact with doctors who are very intelligent, and they have no fear of the virus. What is the percentage of people who have these permanent effects?

By the way, did you know that by living you are closer and closer to dying? Then what, stop breathing to avoid getting old? This is exactly COVID. For fear of something so harmless, we are putting a break on everyday life. The covid is not near deadly enough to warrant what we are seeing:

  • a loss of our jobs
  • a loss of honesty and reliable news coverage
  • a loss of our freedoms
  • a loss of affection and closeness
  • social chaos

It's just not worth any of it.

Are you so afraid of it?

At the expense of everything I wrote (loss of jobs, loss of freedom, unrest) no it is absolutely not.
yes it absolutly is, everything you mention is either personal opinion or manageable and/or temporary. The permanent effects of Covid in some individual (death and other side effects) are, well, permanent.

What is the percentage of people who have these permanent effects:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/risk-comms-updates/update-36-long-term-symptoms.pdf?sfvrsn=5d3789a6_2
"Among those 18 to 34 years in good health, 20% (1 in 5) reported that some symptoms
were prolonged." this is for the more accurate number I could find for now, of course for a final result we would have to wait for years.

  • a loss of our jobs
    Is temporary and can be managed with with a good government program like we have in Canada. The only reason why the US have nothing to compare is 'Mitch Mcconnell' which want nothing to do with helping people if he can't bail out the coal industry in the same time https://www.nationofchange.org/2020/09/10/senate-republicans-propose-new-relief-bill-that-ignores-struggling-americans-and-gives-aid-to-coal-industry/
  • a loss of honesty and reliable news coverage
    your opinion, nothing more
  • a loss of our freedoms
    Your freedom always have stopped when those of others begins. Your are not allowed to drive with worn out tire because it puts your security and that of others in danger. Likewise not using a mask put your safety and that of other in danger. And seriously, complaining that the requirement for a mask is a deprivation of freedoms is well within cry babies territory.
  • a loss of affection and closeness
    Only temporarly, and death from Covid could just do that as well.
  • social chaos
    Sources?

Are you so afraid of it?
I'm afraid to unknowingly spread it to other people which might not be as apt as I am to recover from it would I contract It. And seriously you should too has it is the only way to reliably save lives and preserve others from possibles permanents sides effects as of now.