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Anyway, here's a list of 17 things the Trump administration is critisized over, regarding how they handled this situation:

  1. Trump picked Vice President Mike Pence—well known for allowing an outbreak of HIV to rapidly spread in Indiana during his time as governor—to head the government’s coronavirus task force. As governor, Pence initially refused to allow clean-needle exchange programs, which experts argued were necessary to prevent further outbreaks of HIV. He also spearheaded funding cuts to Planned Parenthood, which led to the closing of the last HIV testing facility in a county at the center of the outbreak.
  2. Last month, in its 2021 budgetthe Trump administration announced proposed cuts that would reduce CDC funding by 16 percent and slash $3 billion for global health programs.  
  3. In 2018, the National Security Council’s global pandemic director left his post abruptly; then his entire team was disbanded by former national security adviser John Bolton. The Trump administration has yet to refill any of those positions, leaving huge vulnerabilities in our global pandemic preparedness. 
  4. In press conferences and tweets, Trump has been downplaying the severity of the coronavirus. In remarks he made on February 26, he claimed that the number of cases was declining in the United States (the CDC says it’s highly likely it will continue to spread); he claimed that the fatality rate for coronavirus was lower than the flu (it isn’t), and a vaccine was coming quickly (the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases says it will take at least a year).  
  5. Fewer than 500 people have been tested for the coronavirus in the United States, compared with 13,911 in the UK and 1,126 in the Ontario province of Canada alone as of March 2. Experts blame delays in rolling out the test on account of a faulty component in the original test, which has led to an inadequate supply of tests nationwide. As of Sunday, an unnamed HHS official told Politico that the defects had been resolved. That hasn’t been enough to prevent an HHS investigation into the delayed national response. 
  6. The CDC failed to update testing guidelines to include more people as the disease has spread globally. 
  7. The first instance of coronavirus contracted within the United States took four days to confirm after a delayed response for requests for disease testing from the CDC, according to medical staff at UC Davis Medical Center in California. They blamed the center’s narrow specifications for distributing coronavirus testing kits; the organization allegedly took days to approve the medical center’s request.
  8. Trump isn’t the only member of his administration spreading misinformation about the coronavirus. Last Tuesday, Trump’s National Economic Council director, Larry Kudlow, told CNBC “we have contained” the virus, despite CDC officials warning that the virus is likely to continue to spread. In a Meet the Press interview Sunday, Vice President and coronavirus head Mike Pence refused to refute Donald Trump Jr.’s claim that Democrats wanted the virus to spread and kill Americans. 
  9. In 2018, the Trump Administration cut 80 percent of CDC funding used to fight global pandemics. The funding support, which went to training local health professionals and bolstering emergency response across 49 countries, was reduced to just 10 nations. China wasn’t included in the revised list.
  10. Last October, the Trump Administration opted to discontinue a Bush-era program expanded under Obama—called “Predict”—that monitored the threat of animal-born diseases to humans, the possible origin point of the novel coronavirus. The program was behind the discovery of more than 1,000 viruses, including an Ebola strain.
  11. During a standoff last week on a tarmac in Japan, the State Department pushed to allow 14 coronavirus-infected Americans to board a pair of flights back to the United States. The CDC fought back back, arguing that bringing them back—especially considering the planes carried 300 other passengers who’d tested negative for the disease—would pose an unnecessary risk and more than double the number of infected in the country. In the end, the State Department got its way.
  12. According to a federal government whistleblower, Department of Health and Human Services personnel have been improperly tending to potentially infected Americans who were in Asia during the outbreak. The whistleblower alleged that the HHS workers, without proper training or protective equipment, operated alongside CDC personnel donned in hazmat suits when seeing patients, and potentially exposed themselves to infection. The whistleblower later indicated that they were unjustly reassigned as retribution for speaking out. 
  13. Without clearance from local health centers, federal health officials planned to fly coronavirus patients from a California air base to a FEMA facility on a decommissioned army base in Anniston, Alabama. The mayor of Anniston, “shocked by the lack of planning,” told HHS officials that the FEMA buildings lacked the medical capability to operate as a quarantine zone. On February 23, the administration dropped the plans. Costa Mesa, California, is also fighting federal plans to transport patients to the city.
  14. As the crisis unfolded last week, one-third of the coronavirus task force took time off to speak at the Conservative Political Action Convention. The list of CPAC attendees also on the task force included White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, Homeland Security Secretary Ken Cuccinelli, Larry Kudlow, director of the White House National Economic Council, HHS secretary Alex Azar, and national security adviser Robert O’Brien. Vice President Pence, who heads the task force, told CPAC attendees that the risk of infection “remains low.”
  15. Despite reassurances from Trump officials at CPAC and beyond that rumors of the coronavirus have been greatly exaggerated, Cuccinelli indicated during his CPAC speech that the US might tighten borders as a preventative public health measure, despite far fewer cases in Mexico and Canada, where two and 27 cases have been reported, respectively.
  16. Pence and his office have taken control of all public government statements on the coronavirus, which now go through his press secretary, Katie Miller. Because of this move, the CDC and the National Institutes of Health can no longer share their own research, and a Pence office stamp of approval is required to broadcast independent information.
  17. When a CDCdistributed coronavirus test kit incorrectly gave a negative result, an infected patient was allowed to leave a San Diego hospital. The patient, who was flown back to the US from China, rejoined the quarantine tank of repatriated citizens for an entire day, before being brought back to the hospital. 

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/03/here-are-17-ways-the-trump-administration-bungled-its-coronavirus-response/


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Mnementh said:
SpokenTruth said:

Also, we are trying to fix this.  But we've had roadblocks and irrationality put in the way several times already.

We could have been using WHO test kits this whole time but no, the Trump administration blocked them from use so that our own companies could develop their own test kits so as not to pass up an opportunity for profit.  We only learned about our first infections because some docs in Seattle broke those rules and used a test kit anyway. 

Just today Republican senators vetoed an emergency paid sick leave bill.

Paid sick leave alone could've so much impact, as people don't intend to do stupid stuff to get others infected, but they need money to survive. So they are basically forced to do stuff that helps spreading the virus.

It gets better.  There exists a law that would allow for the a ton of free services.  It must be authorized by the Director of the CDC.  He has thus far failed to do so.

42 CFR § 71.30 - Payment for care and treatment.

(a) The Director may authorize payment for the care and treatment of individuals subject to medical examination, quarantine, isolation, and conditional release, subject to paragraphs (b) through (h) of this section.

(b) Payment for care and treatment shall be in the Director's sole discretion and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c ) Payment shall be secondary to the obligation of the United States or any third-party (including any State or local governmental entity, private insurance carrier, or employer), under any other law or contractual agreement, to pay for such care and treatment, and shall be paid by the Director only after all third-party payers have made payment in satisfaction of their obligations.

(d) Payment may include costs for providing ambulance or other medical transportation when such services are deemed necessary by the Director for the individual's care and treatment.

(e) Payment shall be limited to those amounts the hospital, medical facility, or medical transportation service would customarily bill the Medicare system using the International Classification of Diseases, Clinical Modification (ICD-CM), and relevant regulations promulgated by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services in existence at the time of billing.

(f) For quarantinable communicable diseases, payment shall be limited to costs for services and items reasonable and necessary for the care and treatment of the individual for the time period beginning when the Director refers the individual to the hospital or medical facility and ends when, as determined by the Director, the period of apprehension, quarantine, isolation, or conditional release expires.

(g) For diseases other than those described in paragraph (f) of this section, such payment shall be limited to costs for services and items reasonable and necessary for care and treatment of the individual for the time period that begins when the Director refers the individual to the hospital or medical facility and ends when the individual's condition is diagnosed, as determined by the Director, as an illness other than a quarantinable communicable disease.

(h) For ambulance or other medical transportation, payment shall be limited to the costs for such services and other items reasonable and necessary for the safe medical transport of the individual.

Last edited by SpokenTruth - on 13 March 2020

Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

Oh boy, all my old socalist beliefs and ideals are rising to the surface and I can't push them down. You know things are super fucked when socialism starts to look like the answer.



 

China Numba wan!!

Mnementh said:
SpokenTruth said:

Also, we are trying to fix this.  But we've had roadblocks and irrationality put in the way several times already.

We could have been using WHO test kits this whole time but no, the Trump administration blocked them from use so that our own companies could develop their own test kits so as not to pass up an opportunity for profit.  We only learned about our first infections because some docs in Seattle broke those rules and used a test kit anyway. 

Just today Republican senators vetoed an emergency paid sick leave bill.

Paid sick leave alone could've so much impact, as people don't intend to do stupid stuff to get others infected, but they need money to survive. So they are basically forced to do stuff that helps spreading the virus.

^ this, ontop of 81million people in USA not haveing sufficent coverage of health, is reason to worry.

Most other countries, theres universal healthcare, so reported numbers are high (because their good at finding/testing the sick).
While in the USA, the number is probably alot higher than the reported ones. Simply because people wont go to the hospital due to costs.

The no paid leave, is gonna make things alot harder to deal with in the US too.



John2290 said:
Oh boy, all my old socalist beliefs and ideals are rising to the surface and I can't push them down. You know things are super fucked when socialism starts to look like the answer.

It should be a human right, to have free healthcare.
Countries should protect its citizens imo.

I'd not even call that socialism.

Its funny the line is drawn at hospitals and the sick.
Imagine if police and fire-fighters where privatised too?

"Mam, I see your house is on fire, do you have insurance? otherwise we wont come put it out!"
"a robber you say? are you insured?"

Somethings a societ just needs to "do".
Healthcare is part of that.

Education should be as well.
USA has really low social mobility.... the "american dream" (work hard, you can achieve anything) is a lie.
In the US, the rich stay rich, and the poor stay poor.



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SpokenTruth said:

Also, we are trying to fix this.  But we've had roadblocks and irrationality put in the way several times already.

We could have been using WHO test kits this whole time but no, the Trump administration blocked them from use so that our own companies could develop their own test kits so as not to pass up an opportunity for profit.  We only learned about our first infections because some docs in Seattle broke those rules and used a test kit anyway. 

Just today Republican senators vetoed an emergency paid sick leave bill.

I bet you, that they "okay" a care package for the stockmarkets :P

Who cares about "little guy", the worker that cant afford food, if he takes a sick leave.
The big companies that could lose value on the stockmarkets! those are the real worries.



JRPGfan said:
John2290 said:
Oh boy, all my old socalist beliefs and ideals are rising to the surface and I can't push them down. You know things are super fucked when socialism starts to look like the answer.

It should be a human right, to have free healthcare.
Countries should protect its citizens imo.

I'd not even call that socialism.

Its funny the line is drawn at hospitals and the sick.
Imagine if police and fire-fighters where privatised too?

"Mam, I see your house is on fire, do you have insurance? otherwise we wont come put it out!"
"a robber you say? are you insured?"

Somethings a societ just needs to "do".
Healthcare is part of that.

Education should be as well.
USA has really low social mobility.... the "american dream" (work hard, you can achieve anything) is a lie.
In the US, the rich stay rich, and the poor stay poor.

Oh, we have free health care in Ireland as a right for those who need it. It's a blessing and a curse but it is useful. I'm talking about going full China, full on lockdown til there is a vaccine. Pull peoples rights and weld people into their houses. Grab complete state control over the internet. Get the drones out for surveillance and make anyone who disagrees disappear.... I'm joking ffs. It was a joke. I'd rather die than go full China. 

In seriousness, I agree you need a base level free heslth care system in the US but not one that overrides the current system and not one that impeades medical advancement. Perhaps this is the situation that will get that implemented when it's all over. 



 

China Numba wan!!

SpokenTruth said:

Who said this?

hahah you expect me to remember the names of random twitter or  reddit users? i only use youtube and ive seen plenty of videos covering the topic and when trump did the China travel ban one of those videos was in part adressing the reaction on twitter/reddit (dont remember which of the two), with people saying he was over reacting or straight up saying it was a racist move.

If i remembered the video in question i would post it here but that was like a month ago and ive seen dozens of those some of them being lives streams over 2 hours long, could have been one of the many livestreams done by Metokur or something by memology etc...

To put it into context.

Back then when the virus was only in China, South Korea and Japan there was concerns that this virus would lead to racism towards asians, and there was even articles about it like this one, this one and this one there was even a video (either something done by a content creator or something made by a company) trying to combat this racism, it consisted of a asian man in the streets of Italy, wearing a mask and holding a sign that said something along the lines of "im asian and im not responsible for the coronavirus, im not infected either!", and during the video people would come over to him and hug him showing him love and acceptance, and that video came out one week before the virus outbreak in italy (as if a cruel joke from god) obviously im not saying that guy had the virus just pointing out the irony of the whole situation.

FUCKING FOUND THE VIDEO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lULceASXv88)

What im trying to prove here is that there was a movement just a month ago (before this shit got serious outside of china) that had some people concerned about this creating racism towards asians, and back then when trump implemented the travel ban i saw a video showing some of the reactions on social media and there was people saying it was a "racist"  and exaggerated move.

EDIT: Hey to prove my point further (n my search for the articles above) i just found an article about trumps chinese travel ban and in the comments (just as i said before) there are people calling him a racist for doing it and saying that he is over reacting.

here is the article  

here are some of the comments

To be clear these ARE NOT the comments i saw a month ago, those were either from twitter or reddit (cant remember at this point) and i think it should go without saying it was more than just a couple of comments... but regardless there you go! proof of people calling him a racist over the travel ban and saying he is over reacting.



estebxx said:
SpokenTruth said:

Who said this?

hahah you expect me to remember the names of random twitter or  reddit users? i only use youtube and ive seen plenty of videos covering the topic and when trump did the China travel ban one of those videos was in part adressing the reaction on twitter/reddit (dont remember which of the two), with people saying he was over reacting or straight up saying it was a racist move.

If i remembered the video in question i would post it here but that was like a month ago and ive seen dozens of those some of them being lives streams over 2 hours long, could have been one of the many livestreams done by Metokur or something by memology etc...

To put it into context.

Back then when the virus was only in China, South Korea and Japan there was concerns that this virus would lead to racism towards asians, and there was even articles about it like this one, this one and this one there was even a video (either something done by a content creator or something made by a company) trying to combat this racism, it consisted of a asian man in the streets of Italy, wearing a mask and holding a sign that said something along the lines of "im asian and im not responsible for the coronavirus, im not infected either!", and during the video people would come over to him and hug him showing him love and acceptance, and that video came out one week before the virus outbreak in italy (as if a cruel joke from god) obviously im not saying that guy had the virus just pointing out the irony of the whole situation.

FUCKING FOUND THE VIDEO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lULceASXv88)

What im trying to prove here is that there was a movement just a month ago (before this shit got serious outside of china) that had some people concerned about this creating racism towards asians, and back then when trump implemented the travel ban i saw a video showing some of the reactions on social media and there was people saying it was a "racist"  and exaggerated move.

EDIT: Hey to prove my point further (n my search for the articles above) i just found an article about trumps chinese travel ban and in the comments (just as i said before) there are people calling him a racist for doing it and saying that he is over reacting.

here is the article  

here are some of the comments

To be clear these ARE NOT the comments i saw a month ago, those were either from twitter or reddit (cant remember at this point) and i think it should go without saying it was more than just a couple of comments... but regardless there you go! proof of people calling him a racist over the travel ban and saying he is over reacting.

I think your main issue is you are ascribing something to a group that can only be proven for individuals (hypocrisy). So you would now have to show these same users saying that the Europe ban was too late. Otherwise these are just different people with different values and conclusions which are not necessarily hypocritical. 



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estebxx said:
SpokenTruth said:

Who said this?

hahah you expect me to remember the names of random twitter or  reddit users? i only use youtube and ive seen plenty of videos covering the topic and when trump did the China travel ban one of those videos was in part adressing the reaction on twitter/reddit (dont remember which of the two), with people saying he was over reacting or straight up saying it was a racist move.

If i remembered the video in question i would post it here but that was like a month ago and ive seen dozens of those some of them being lives streams over 2 hours long, could have been one of the many livestreams done by Metokur or something by memology etc...

To put it into context.

Back then when the virus was only in China, South Korea and Japan there was concerns that this virus would lead to racism towards asians, and there was even articles about it like this one, this one and this one there was even a video (either something done by a content creator or something made by a company) trying to combat this racism, it consisted of a asian man in the streets of Italy, wearing a mask and holding a sign that said something along the lines of "im asian and im not responsible for the coronavirus, im not infected either!", and during the video people would come over to him and hug him showing him love and acceptance, and that video came out one week before the virus outbreak in italy (as if a cruel joke from god) obviously im not saying that guy had the virus just pointing out the irony of the whole situation.

FUCKING FOUND THE VIDEO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lULceASXv88)

What im trying to prove here is that there was a movement just a month ago (before this shit got serious outside of china) that had some people concerned about this creating racism towards asians, and back then when trump implemented the travel ban i saw a video showing some of the reactions on social media and there was people saying it was a "racist"  and exaggerated move.

EDIT: Hey to prove my point further (n my search for the articles above) i just found an article about trumps chinese travel ban and in the comments (just as i said before) there are people calling him a racist for doing it and saying that he is over reacting.

here is the article  

here are some of the comments

To be clear these ARE NOT the comments i saw a month ago, those were either from twitter or reddit (cant remember at this point) and i think it should go without saying it was more than just a couple of comments... but regardless there you go! proof of people calling him a racist over the travel ban and saying he is over reacting.

The video and related media are more about other people being racist rather than calling Trump himself racist for the travel ban.

The comments you linked, now those are in line with your original post.  And as expected, it's your typical online idiots.  

I asked "who said this" because there is a vast difference from the reaction now and the reaction then.  As you noted, it was largely people commenting on Twitter or Reddit calling him racist.  Now it's a large portion of the population, the media, experts, etc... all saying his actions are late. The experts, media, etc...were not calling him racist for the Chinese travel ban.  My point is that it's not really the same people.  Fringe commenters online vs experts in virology and immunology.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."